Frontline managers can still be working class. It's middle-management up that starts to be removed from the pressures of dealing with an unbearable customer base
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**whispers** middle management is also working class on a standard marxist analysis
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I mean, people divide the tiers differently. I'd be interested to know where you draw the lines :)
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well, what's the standard analysis? there are people who live by their labor, and people who live by their ownership of the means of production. middle management is the former.
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but this kind of broad-brush class analysis is unsatisfying precisely because it lumps together silicon valley managers and front-line retail workers, so people want finer-grained categories which is another way of saying the standard marxist analysis is bad, actually
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I'm honestly real fuckin pissed at Barbara Ehrenreich for coining the phrase "professional-managerial class" (PMC) and all the people who gave her all this praise for a deep insight that's necessary to map Marxist terminology onto a 21st-century world
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
As opposed to being an extremely obvious loophole that instantly sends any "materialist class analysis" tumbling down the slippery slope into being pure cultural identity politics, usually with a viciously reactionary bent
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*Any* analysis that looks at someone whose income is less than 10% someone else's income and says the poorer person is "less working-class" than the richer one because their job isn't a "real job" has lost the plot
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Replying to @arthur_affect @perdricof and
This is an original sin of Marxism, with Marx allowing the concept of the "lumpenproletariat", a materialist gloss on the Christian idea of "undeserving poor" Poor people whom the revolution may someday help but who can't be part of it because they don't have "real jobs"
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Wait, by allow do you mean it was his idea, or that Engels added it?
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They both used it
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You'd think we'd realise everyone has at least one opinion that's awful by now, instead of lionizing them.
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