The Holocaust was deliberate, systematic genocide, and the firebombing of Dresden was not How is this even in question
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Replying to @arthur_affect @AndrewJensen2 and
It doesn't matter if killing civilians is "systematic" or "genocidal" you're still killing civilians! That's my whole argument. Would you have approved of systematically murdering German workers if it would have brought the war to an end?
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Replying to @jlippincott_ @AndrewJensen2 and
I mean, a targeted bombing of a munitions plant kills civilian workers as much as a firebombing of the city does, so what exactly are *you* arguing here
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Replying to @arthur_affect @jlippincott_ and
Hell, in the case of Nazi Germany and other regimes happy to rely on forced labor, blowing up a munitions plant would likely mostly kill Jewish workers imported from the camps This is a moral dilemma brought up in Schindler's List etc It's the ugly moral calculus of warfare
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Replying to @arthur_affect @jlippincott_ and
Your moral standards would make it basically impossible to wage strategic warfare against a country like Nazi Germany at all It'd limit the warfare of your country to limited wars of "self-defense" on their own territory, which is what the Geneva Conventions were invented for
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Replying to @arthur_affect @jlippincott_ and
Which, you know, is all well and good, if you're safe and well-fed and happy in your own country and other people's problems are not your business, like Lucky Lindy openly argued for Not so great if you're a German Jew being systematically genocided
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Replying to @arthur_affect @AndrewJensen2 and
Yes, I am arguing for limited war. Every righteous crusade of my lifetime has been bullshit.
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Replying to @jlippincott_ @arthur_affect and
And you know damn well that America didn't fight WW2 to save the Jews. It wasn't even about stopping tyranny either. That's why we cozied up to Stalin.
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Replying to @jlippincott_ @AndrewJensen2 and
Well, yes, the main concern for our leaders was not having Hitler rule half the world as a fascist dictator, which really is bad enough
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Replying to @arthur_affect @AndrewJensen2 and
Instead we let Stalin govern from Sakhalin to the Elbe. Before Hitler ever opened a single death camp the Soviets were openly slaughtering kulaks and "wreckers" but he was a "good guy"
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Stalin is not a "good guy" but if you don't think he's a lesser evil than Hitler you don't even really believe in the concept of evil
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Replying to @arthur_affect @jlippincott_ and
A documentary once called Stalin "The monster the world needed to destroy the greatest evil it had ever known" and I keep that in mind when discussing the topic.
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