Yeah unless someone argues that it would be a positive good to render a region Deutschenfrei for its own sake this is an absurd false equivalence, and a deeply odious one Dresden is not the fucking "German Holocaust" and saying it is verges on Holocaust denial
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Replying to @arthur_affect @AndrewJensen2 and
That's a non sequitor. Acknowledging that one mass killing of civilians is bad does not mean I deny that a different mass killing of civilians occurred. That makes zero sense.
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Replying to @jlippincott_ @AndrewJensen2 and
The Holocaust was deliberate, systematic genocide, and the firebombing of Dresden was not How is this even in question
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Replying to @arthur_affect @AndrewJensen2 and
It doesn't matter if killing civilians is "systematic" or "genocidal" you're still killing civilians! That's my whole argument. Would you have approved of systematically murdering German workers if it would have brought the war to an end?
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Replying to @jlippincott_ @AndrewJensen2 and
I mean, a targeted bombing of a munitions plant kills civilian workers as much as a firebombing of the city does, so what exactly are *you* arguing here
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Replying to @arthur_affect @jlippincott_ and
Hell, in the case of Nazi Germany and other regimes happy to rely on forced labor, blowing up a munitions plant would likely mostly kill Jewish workers imported from the camps This is a moral dilemma brought up in Schindler's List etc It's the ugly moral calculus of warfare
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Replying to @arthur_affect @jlippincott_ and
Your moral standards would make it basically impossible to wage strategic warfare against a country like Nazi Germany at all It'd limit the warfare of your country to limited wars of "self-defense" on their own territory, which is what the Geneva Conventions were invented for
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Replying to @arthur_affect @jlippincott_ and
Which, you know, is all well and good, if you're safe and well-fed and happy in your own country and other people's problems are not your business, like Lucky Lindy openly argued for Not so great if you're a German Jew being systematically genocided
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Replying to @arthur_affect @jlippincott_ and
I mean, i APPROVE of the Geneva Conventions, i wish the US would start following them one of these days? But yeah, they don't necessarily work so well when other folks start in on wars of conquest.
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Replying to @iridienne @jlippincott_ and
The Geneva Conventions are very, very close to just saying "Don't fight any wars at all", which was the explicit hope of the people writing them, that once all the countries agreed to follow these rules they'd see that fighting wars was always too expensive to be rational
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A noble thought, perhaps, but history clearly didn't work out that way
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Replying to @arthur_affect @iridienne and
I mean, the EU seems to have worked out quite well. Before it there were how many European wars, that eventually became global conflicts because of colonisation? Admittedly since then there's been a permanent war in the Middle East, but that's because the US has a war economy.
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