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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Aimée Morrison‏ @digiwonk 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @schanoes @arthur_affect and

      I guess, having been blessed with consciousness and existence, I’m not going to aim for annihilation. I’m going to try my best, every day, Good Place style, to make things and myself a little better.

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    2. Aimée Morrison‏ @digiwonk 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @digiwonk @schanoes and

      Child free or child full, it’s possible to consider oneself part of a larger whole (I’m autistic, this doesn’t come naturally to me) and to act with the humility of one’s tiny-ness, AND the responsibility of free will. I choose trying.

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    3. Hoydenne‏ @iridienne 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @digiwonk @schanoes and

      Sure! So do i, honestly, every fucking day! I love the world and i love people. But i would never, ever, sentence another CONSCIOUS HUMAN BEING to doing that without a fucking choice, which is what you do when you have children.

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    4. Dr. Veronica Schanoes‏ @schanoes 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @iridienne @digiwonk and

      Oh, that's interesting. For me, since there was no conscious human being there until I actually made him, the hypothetical person's interests were a lower priority than mine, because I really existed and he did not. Now that he's here, of course, the balance changes.

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    5. Hoydenne‏ @iridienne 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @schanoes @digiwonk and

      Well, sure, there wasn't a conscious being there until you made him. I'm sorry if my phrasing was unclear on that. But you MADE A WHOLE CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT HIS CONSENT. (Because he couldn't consent, because he didn't exist.)

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Dr. Veronica Schanoes‏ @schanoes 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @iridienne @digiwonk and

      Exactly. That's why it doesn't seem to me to be a violation of consent--he didn't exist.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Aimée Morrison‏ @digiwonk 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @schanoes @iridienne and

      It's weirdly the flip side of pro-life thinking: a not-yet-person has rights we trample with our decisions? Like the not-conceived are harmed if we conceive and bear them? And the conceived but not born are harmed if a pregnancy is terminated? It's philosophy, not ethics.

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    8. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @digiwonk @schanoes and

      This is well trodden ground, and the issue is that the reverse point of view leads to a conclusion so intuitively repugnant that it's just called "the repugnant conclusion"

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    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @digiwonk and

      I.e. if existing is always preferable to not existing, then you can't get mad at someone who makes hundreds of babies and then abandons them to struggle and starve In fact, not only is this permissible, from some points of view it's *required*

      2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
    10. Aimée Morrison‏ @digiwonk 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @schanoes and

      People can have spurious reasons for producing babies, just as they can have spurious reasons for refusing to produce babies. I only mean that it is no way redounds to the babies, who, in a basic Maslow-meeting-needs situation, would rather be alive than not.

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @digiwonk @schanoes and

      I wouldn't say the repugnant conclusion is purely hypothetical The Catholic and Quiverfull attitudes toward reproduction don't completely match that reductio ad absurdum but they get damn close

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        1. Hoydenne‏ @iridienne 31 Oct 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @digiwonk and

          They absolutely do.

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        1. Aimée Morrison‏ @digiwonk 31 Oct 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @schanoes and

          I was thinking of Quiverfull, too, and I again say: in an equitable world, a choice to have a child would be a free one.

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        2. Dr. Veronica Schanoes‏ @schanoes 31 Oct 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @digiwonk and

          But the Catholic and Quiverfull attitudes both involve patriarchy, misogyny, and overriding individual desires, so sure, once you indulge in that kind of immorality, you arrive at repugnance. But afaict, once women have personal choice, they overwhelmingly do not choose that.

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        3. Hoydenne‏ @iridienne 31 Oct 2020
          Replying to @schanoes @arthur_affect and

          Sure. Once people have pretty good personal choices, the birth rate tends to fall below replacement rate, which then causes everyone to have a moral fucking panic.

          2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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