They're the ones who overuse The Handmaid's Tale as a reference so I'm gonna say they're getting closer to V for Vendetta every dayhttps://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/1321887714992627713 …
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Replying to @arthur_affect
i am darkly amused that even very cynical dystopias like V FOR VENDETTA and CHILDREN OF MEN imagine britain as the last island of stability in a world falling apart not like a shitty, unimportant island left behind by the world, stewing in its own sins
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect
Oh that’s 100% what Children of Men depicts. And surviving the apocalypse is its own kind of torture. You’re assuming Brits see survival under those conditions as a good thing, whereas culturally I’ve found we view that as the worst-case scenario…
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Replying to @OneiricCanid @arthur_affect
the england of children of men is packed with refugees fleeing the even-more-fucked states of europe, so
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect
*gestures to the “worst case scenario” label there* Island nation, xenophobia, etc. That’s a comment on current fears. The world it depicts is so terrible people are issued suicide kits by the government. I’d argue dying of the plague in that universe was a kindness.
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Replying to @OneiricCanid @arthur_affect
look i'm not arguing that CHILDREN OF MEN depicts a really deeply fucked britain where things are very bad i am saying that the text just says that britain is nevertheless the last bastion of order in an even more awful world
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Replying to @perdricof @arthur_affect
Oh you’re not wrong! I just think you’re mistaking that for a good thing when “I’d rather live directly underneath the mushroom cloud” is a sentiment that I’ve heard expressed w/ a degree of regularity and seems to be shared by many. Also, well, *gestures at Threads*
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Replying to @OneiricCanid @perdricof
You're missing what she's saying, which is that a REALLY cruel fate for the UK would for the rest of the world to be a happy, functioning utopia and the UK and the UK alone to be a failed state kept in quarantine behind a wall
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This is something Kim Stanley Robinson did with his future version of the USA in The Wild Shore, and that's actually fairly common with American cyberpunk dystopias (which have tended to play on American fears of obsolescence next to Japan, or China)
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But it's a rare theme for British writers to explore
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I mean that's why I brought up Orwell, who throws this humiliation in your face in the opening of 1984 - the whole island of Great Britain has been renamed "Airstrip One", the empire of Oceania, based in the former USA, sees Britain as nothing but a forward base against Eurasia
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But the weird thing is this is brought up at the very beginning then dropped, it has no effect on anything The Party's ideology is called English Socialism or Ingsoc even though England isn't supposed to be important
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Big Brother and Emmanuel Goldstein are treated as though they're British and their old stomping grounds were in London even though the Airstrip One thing means they should probably be Americans The whole thing is in this kind of weird limbo, possibly intentionally
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