And I am arguing *against* the clique of social conservatives and TERFs who argue that because "children can't consent", any workshop telling children the concept of "consent" applies to them must be a pretext for a pedophile to groom them for sex, and should be shut down
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Replying to @nextdoorruby @MelaKatie and
No, that's one of the issues people need to talk and think about with consent, that it's a matter of asymmetrical power dynamics
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nextdoorruby and
I do not think that children can consent to sex with adults I don't think that this is because the concept of "consent" doesn't apply to them, I think it's because it DOES apply to them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nextdoorruby and
I think this is a fundamental left/right value split (or liberal/trad value split, or whatever you wanna call it) Rush Limbaugh's horrified "You think *anything* is okay as long as you *consent*" thing
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nextdoorruby and
I think the reason for an age of consent is just that, the issue *of consent* - that an adult has so much legal and social power over a minor that a minor cannot meaningfully consent to the consequences of sex with an adult I do NOT think it's a matter of "innocence" and "taint"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nextdoorruby and
A lot of the rhetoric around this presumes that a child is fundamentally "pure", "innocent", basically asexual And that to introduce sexuality into their lives is to "ruin" them, "corrupt" them (the old law is literally called "corruption of minors") I think this is fucked up
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Replying to @arthur_affect @nextdoorruby and
It’s not about children being “pure” or “innocent” - it’s about children *not having the capacity to consent*. Children *cannot* consent to sex - not even with each other. Get that through your fucking head. This is basic safeguarding.
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Replying to @Shatterface @nextdoorruby and
Okay so they should be prevented from having sex then right Violation of consent, where I come from, is a big deal, it's a bad thing that should not happen What are you gonna do about it
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Okay, so you do believe that the concept of "consent" applies to minors, and that minors can consent to sex with each other, which is why it's possible to make a distinction between consensual and nonconsensual sex between minors Thank you
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Replying to @nextdoorruby @Shatterface and
Well, I didn't say any different
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