One of the issues here is that "consent" applies to *all* forms of physical boundaries, not just sex Part of "enthusiastic consent" is teaching kids that it's wrong to touch another person at all without their consent, even "innocent" kissing or hugging or play-fighting
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Replying to @arthur_affect @megawhelmed and
Certain adults seem to react very negatively to this Not in the direction that would make sense -- "Kids can't consent" and therefore kids can't touch anyone or be touched ever But that "hugging is harmless" and therefore nonconsensual hugs are just fine
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Replying to @arthur_affect @megawhelmed and
There's been a LOT of discussion about how adults casually violating kids -- "Now I know you're not a hugger, but still!" "Jimmy, don't be rude to Grandma, give her a hug and kiss!" -- primes them for freezing up and being unable to articulate consent in sexual situations later
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Replying to @arthur_affect @megawhelmed and
And apparently the anti-"enthusiastic consent" people refuse to believe this narrative and think by even bringing the word "consent" into being hugged and kissed by your cheek-pinching grandma we're perverting the innocence of childhood or whatever The disagreeement runs deep
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Replying to @arthur_affect @megawhelmed and
This is relevant to this discussion why? Who is arguing this here?
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Replying to @CarolT52973604 @megawhelmed and
If minors can't consent to sex, is there anything they can consent to? Can they consent to being touched, or hugged, or picked up off the ground?
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Replying to @arthur_affect @CarolT52973604 and
This is appalling. How on earth are you comparing tickling or cuddling your child to raping them. This is a seriously sick tweet & should be deleted. Is this the kind of thing you are defending
@mcashmanCBE. How many people covered up for Saville.pic.twitter.com/xG6mDWr2Cb
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Replying to @workingout123 @CarolT52973604 and
I'm only comparing it in the sense that you shouldn't fucking do anything to a child (or an adult) they don't want you to do
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Replying to @arthur_affect @CarolT52973604 and
Well don’t. Cuddling your child is not abuse & absolutely should be done if the child is upset. Sometimes, even when he thinks he doesn’t want it. It’s how we convey empathy without words & is comforting.
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Replying to @workingout123 @arthur_affect and
That's right. There are times when people in *distress* will avoid touch yet be comforted when they receive it, anyway, but that's the exception, not the rule. Everyday forced contact is belittling and primes the receiver to be passive. Extended tickling is literal torture.
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Any "consensual non-consent" is a dicey thing that requires strong bonds of trust and that really as a society we should probably be more okay with verbally discussing
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