Where does the Catholic feast day of Saint Valentine factor in?
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Replying to @ShieldingC
St. Valentine was martyred literally a thousand years before English people came up with the "Valentine's Day" tradition, and no one said anything about him having anything to do with sex/romance/marriage before then, so it also doesn't really factor in
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ShieldingC
There was a whole thing on Twitter last year where some Christian lady tried to argue Valentine's Day was specifically for het couples because St. Valentine was a Christian who married straight couples when pagan Rome banned it She got dunked on A LOT
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ShieldingC
All of the stories about Valentine being associated with romance are very very recently written, from like the 19th century, greeting-card bullshit The idea that the girl whose blindness he healed in the original legend he was secretly in love with, etc
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ShieldingC
The idea that "pagan Rome" literally banned men and women from marrying each other and having children is so amazingly ahistorical it almost dignifies it too much to even try to argue against it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ShieldingC
Wait, what? I'd always assumed the claim was that Rome banned *christians* from getting married, not that they banned it altogether.
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Replying to @Random832 @ShieldingC
Not according to this lady! (And not according to the story I heard when I went to a Christian high school in the US, which was the same)
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They actually think the Roman Emperors wanted people to stop having het marriages so more men would join the army and be gay together or something
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The funny thing is, like I said last time this came up, it's the *exact opposite* Caesar Augustus was a conservative who wanted to bring back traditional family values (the "mos maiorum", the "ways of the ancestors") and get the birthrate back up
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He made it illegal to *not* get married -- once you were above the age of 25, you had to get married and produce a certain number of children, and if you didn't you paid a tax penalty
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(This law was wildly unpopular and a lot of people kept trying to find ways to get around it, until Constantine abolished it Which is the *exact opposite* of the Christian narrative about "pagan Rome" -- it was *Christians* who were into living celibate holy lives etc.)
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