I just realized that Ellie gets off easier than Abby in TLOU2 in the sense of how both she and Abby have recurring flashbacks where they try to save their dad and can't Both of them get to test if they could have beat their father's murderer one on one.
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Abby finds that she totally could, and did. So for her, forever she has to live with the feeling that her dad died bc she didn't come with him to the OR or didn't get there in time
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Whereas Ellie loses her only "fair" fight against Abby (in the theater) and only defeats an emaciated Abby who just got off a literal crucifix, so she knows she'd probably have just been killed or beaten worse if she'd shown up earlier to Joel's killing
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
Does Abby actually fight Joel one-on-one in a fair fight?
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Replying to @muddlewait
No, but she wouldn't have if she was defending her dad in the hospital either. You don't need super muscles to shoot a guy in the legs with a shotgun
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @muddlewait
Abby was a sheltered teenage girl at the time of TLoU 1, she would never have been able to beat Joel if she'd somehow been there
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She beats Joel in 2 because Joel has spent all the time since then getting soft while she's spent an equal amount of time getting hard So to speak
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I don't think this conclusion you're trying to draw works, there's really nothing Abby or any of the others could've plausibly done to stop Joel if they'd been there that day All of Marlene's best guys who were there just got mowed down
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Yeah but is that how it works psychologically? Like, they both have repeated flashbacks where their lizard brain (or maybe dog brain) tell them they could have saved their dad. Abby has more of a rational basis than Ellie to believe she could have
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if the fireflies really understood their world they would have wanted *joel's* brain, because clearly that's the key to unlocking the secret power of "reloading from checkpoint"
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If their symbol had not been a firefly but a flower
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what i'm trying to say is, the question of "who would win in a fight, abby or joel" is mostly determined by who the player character is at the time
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Determined by... Determination
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