This why in Halo 3, theoretically the canon storyline is Master Chief and Arbiter fighting side by side, but the Arbiter only exists in-game in co-op mode if someone is being Player 2
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Yeah the Arbiter is also just pointedly a: a basically good person, and b: almost NEVER opposed by humans at any playable section. He is always fundamentally a heroic figure.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl
Didn't make any difference to how much people resented him, I think they actually disliked the storyline more for that reason (because it's making the story from the first game "morally gray" and makes you feel bad)
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He is just legitimately a *cooler character* than Master Chief - played by Keith David and everything - and the weird fanboys refused to acknowledge the fact and got all resentful over it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Yeah, I think John eventually got pathos and depth but it took a long time, whereas the Arbiter is a straight up redemptive hero's journey from a very early point.
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And another key thing: Covenant soldiers are basically accepting of death. Mooks in TLOU very much do not want to die, and the act of defying their deaths so frantically invests them with pathos by definition.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl
Well the Grunts turned cowardly and freaked out pretty easily and you did kind of start to feel bad for the little guys no matter how gung-ho you were Like if one of them gets a sticky grenade on them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Sure, but the sheer ease of taking them down also sort of removed any sense of consequence.
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It's like my long running annoyance with Blade and Buffy vampires. When a mook is so fragile they go down in seconds to no fanfare, it's hard to see them as anyone with interiority.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl
Well yeah Grunts are just... grunts Nobody respects them It honestly makes everyone in the series look like an asshole if you think about it
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One of the little backstory driblets in Halo 2 is our Arbiter being told of all the exploits of past Arbiters in the history of the Covenant, including putting down "the Great Grunt Rebellion" Now THERE'S a highly entertaining untold story
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Supposedly the Sanghelli actually respect the Ungoyy for that, amusingly.
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