By which I mean, they're both games about a relatively cosmopolitan but militarist-verging-on-fascist faction fighting some religious zealots when both of them really should be focused on the zombies, and you get surprise protagonist switched to the hero's worst enemy
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
Okay maybe you don't remember this because you were too young but people actually legitimately HATED being forced to play as the Arbiter They got REALLY MAD
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
This why in Halo 3, theoretically the canon storyline is Master Chief and Arbiter fighting side by side, but the Arbiter only exists in-game in co-op mode if someone is being Player 2
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Yeah the Arbiter is also just pointedly a: a basically good person, and b: almost NEVER opposed by humans at any playable section. He is always fundamentally a heroic figure.
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Didn't make any difference to how much people resented him, I think they actually disliked the storyline more for that reason (because it's making the story from the first game "morally gray" and makes you feel bad)
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He is just legitimately a *cooler character* than Master Chief - played by Keith David and everything - and the weird fanboys refused to acknowledge the fact and got all resentful over it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Yeah, I think John eventually got pathos and depth but it took a long time, whereas the Arbiter is a straight up redemptive hero's journey from a very early point.
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And another key thing: Covenant soldiers are basically accepting of death. Mooks in TLOU very much do not want to die, and the act of defying their deaths so frantically invests them with pathos by definition.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl
Well the Grunts turned cowardly and freaked out pretty easily and you did kind of start to feel bad for the little guys no matter how gung-ho you were Like if one of them gets a sticky grenade on them
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
Sure, but the sheer ease of taking them down also sort of removed any sense of consequence.
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I loved that one reviewer just going ham on how disturbing the joke with the Grunts became the longer the series ran and the more it got Cerebus Syndromed "You just can't feel good about shooting these guys, they're like these lovable mentally challenged teddy bears"
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"And to win the game you've got to litter the battlefield with hundreds of their corpses These clearly aren't even actually bad guys, like this is a whole alien species that could use an after-school program and a positive role model more than a hail of bullets"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl
It's canon, too! Most of the Ungoyy(?) Post Halo 3 are just off doing their own thing!
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