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    1. Random832‏ @Random832 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @Random832 @arthur_affect @boltmeyer

      [and in that case what happens to electors who insist on voting for Trump anyway?]

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @Random832 @boltmeyer

      Oh yeah that's a bigger and deeper question, about faithless electors generally, that hits right at the core of our constitutional order It's like asking what happens if the Queen decides to dismiss Parliament and say she's going to start ruling the country directly again

      2 replies 2 retweets 21 likes
    3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Random832 @boltmeyer

      Officially, the Constitution itself says the electors have the absolute authority to pick the President, and the "pledges" don't exist in the Constitution at all What we're doing right now is this very awkward compromise where the states can say faithless votes are "illegal"

      1 reply 2 retweets 12 likes
    4. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Random832 @boltmeyer

      But in a bunch of states they just say it's "illegal" without any named penalty, and in a bunch of other states it's "illegal" as in you have to pay a fine, and in some states it actually says you are "required" (by the state government) to change your vote

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    5. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Random832 @boltmeyer

      They just had a big court case about this, Chiafolo v. Washington, about faithless electors in the 2016 election Democratic electors who wanted to protest-vote against Hillary and for John Kasich or Colin Powell for some godforsaken reason

      1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
    6. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Random832 @boltmeyer

      According to what I'm reading, they wanted to protest that the 12th Amendment of the Constitution implicitly grants electors the right to vote any way they want and charging a monetary fine for faithless voting is a violation of their constitutional privilege

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    7. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Random832 @boltmeyer

      Lawrence Lessig, who wants to officially abolish the Electoral College, sponsored their court case as a chess move to eliminate the pledged-elector system and just honestly have a true popular vote It didn't work though

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    8. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Random832 @boltmeyer

      SCOTUS ruled unanimously that state governments enforcing pledged electors via monetary fines is totally constitutional, and I guess implicitly thinks this is good enough for keeping presidential elections democratic

      2 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
    9. Random832‏ @Random832 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @boltmeyer

      Right, my question is whether the states are allowed or required to apply those fines or whatever in the event that the party tells them to vote for someone else and *either* they do vote for the substitute nominee *or* they vote for Trump. Which vote is considered faithless?

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    10. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @Random832 @boltmeyer

      Oh, the law just says they have to honor the pledge they made with the party From a legal standpoint, the state government runs the election, and is the "service provider" by distributing and counting the ballots etc while the "clients" are the political parties

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 5 Oct 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Random832 @boltmeyer

      So if you want to look at this as purely analogous to a business contract, fining electors is the state's way of making good on their contract They made a promise that if the parties played ball by their rules they'd make sure the system works the way party leaders/voters expect

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