Especially given that unlike some vampire settings where being turned is a voluntary or semi-voluntary thing, WoD vampires fall into the "infectious viral" model, so your vampires are quite likely people who just got unlucky and are now Tainted Subhumans Who Must All Die.
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Which given the cultural model for the vampires in question, as the Urban Queer Club/Non-Vanilla Scene, and in particular contrasted with Hunters frequently being religious zealots... uh, it's basically saying "they were drawn into the Queer Lifestyle and must die." Gross af.
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Well, yeah, as Arthur pointed out, they made Hunters pretty morally ambiguous too. Many of them are self righteous and akin to fascists as you've pointed out. It doesn't promote a fascist ideology, it explores it. Not always well but it can be used well in storytelling.
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Problem is, as noted, they're closer to "authorially correct" in the setting; they (and werewolves) are arguably the "misguided good guys" to the vampires' "literal taint on the world"
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Eeeeenh Even if this is true, it is simply incorrect that Kindred as a whole are queer and punk and Werewolves and Hunters are conservative fascists Ventrue are a whole-ass Clan whose whole thing is being Republican trust fund preppies
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I'm pretty sure you can see why I side-eye the "the corrupt, camouflaged monstrous Tainted Parody of Us run the world and pervert our society and corrupt our children with their wealth and sexual immorality," Arthur.
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Yeah you could definitely read the diablerization of Saulot as a combo of the betrayal of Christ and the whole Khazar myth
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At the same time it's kind of ridiculous, they're all fucking vampires, it's like this bad joke that anyone who wasn't a vampire themselves would care Thad the Tremere are vampire "usurpers" or respect other vampires more for being "authentic"
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