Which if we allow for vampires in the context of WoD to symbolize - let's just fucking say it - the sexual hedonism of non-cishet-vanilla spaces as viewed by conservatives... Fuck does it get ugly. "Your child got seduced/drawn into the Vampire Life by the not!Jews & must die."
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect
Imo the territory WoD (and Blade, and that whole 90s-00s genre of Urban Industrial Punk/Club vampires) enters with its vampires is gross and queephobic-slash-antisemitic to its core. Especially once you start viewing anyone other than the vamps as protagonists.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect
I mean hell personally I've always been shocked the primary monsters of WoD weren't things like werewolves, but WoD werewolves are just a mess (and as I understand it had some uncomfortable overlap with some vaguely fash-adjacent symbolism in oWoD?)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent
I mean look you kind of have to do something with that, the Nazis literally created a thing called Operation Werewolf
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Replying to @arthur_affect
I know I'm just saying it's bizarre that WoD seemed to take as a moral statement "you know who are the ultimate evil? It's not the Nazi murderfurries who wanna go anprim, it's the leather clad punks, misfits & weirdos who drink blood and corrupt the sexual morals of our kids."
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect
That's a hell of an oversimplification. The leather clad punks where usually portrayed as the protagonists in the gothic punk world (Of Darkness). Not always, never universally, but usually.
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Replying to @DanMajdali @arthur_affect
I wasn't saying Hunter said it, I was saying *WoD* said it, with the whole "it's vampires, not werewolves, the murderhobos or the Literal Demons, who are the ultimate evil"
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Replying to @loudpenitent @DanMajdali
Vampires aren't really the ultimate evil though Maybe the Antediluvians kind of are but enh, they're the equivalent of Onceborn and just like in Exalted the worst things in the world are Neverborn
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Replying to @arthur_affect @DanMajdali
"If you were a good person you would commit suicide" and "the annihilation of every single member of this group would be an unquestioned moral good for the entire world" is not a statement that's made about other supernaturals, but it absolutely was about Vampires.
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I suppose The Redeemer Creedbook though was all about how Redeemers are horrified by the idea of vampire genocide and how they've gotten roped into the epic quest (that was started by the Inconnu faction of vampire elders) for some kind of cure
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