A: ok but that doesn't change my observetion about the overlap, if anything it intensifies it considerably further. B: that's certainly the tack WoD took with it... Which is incredibly gross since it turns into "once metaphorically violated your only moral choice is death."
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect
Which if we allow for vampires in the context of WoD to symbolize - let's just fucking say it - the sexual hedonism of non-cishet-vanilla spaces as viewed by conservatives... Fuck does it get ugly. "Your child got seduced/drawn into the Vampire Life by the not!Jews & must die."
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect
Imo the territory WoD (and Blade, and that whole 90s-00s genre of Urban Industrial Punk/Club vampires) enters with its vampires is gross and queephobic-slash-antisemitic to its core. Especially once you start viewing anyone other than the vamps as protagonists.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect
I mean hell personally I've always been shocked the primary monsters of WoD weren't things like werewolves, but WoD werewolves are just a mess (and as I understand it had some uncomfortable overlap with some vaguely fash-adjacent symbolism in oWoD?)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent
I mean look you kind of have to do something with that, the Nazis literally created a thing called Operation Werewolf
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Replying to @arthur_affect
I know I'm just saying it's bizarre that WoD seemed to take as a moral statement "you know who are the ultimate evil? It's not the Nazi murderfurries who wanna go anprim, it's the leather clad punks, misfits & weirdos who drink blood and corrupt the sexual morals of our kids."
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Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect
That's a hell of an oversimplification. The leather clad punks where usually portrayed as the protagonists in the gothic punk world (Of Darkness). Not always, never universally, but usually.
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Replying to @DanMajdali @loudpenitent
Yeah Hunter was not a "final statement" by WoD on anything, it was an extremely controversial product and the Hunters themselves were a great big dysfunctional mess
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I mean from my POV when they made Crusader17 a Christian fundamentalist and a signature character it was very, very much saying "You're not supposed to see Hunters as good guys" The man was an abortion clinic bomber before he switched his crusade to vampire hunting FFS
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And no that's not the authors trying to both-sides that issue, Crusader17 is very clearly fucked up and widely disliked in the community He has a counterpart, Doctor119, whose thing before becoming a Hunter was running an illegal abortion clinic in a country where it was banned
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