Again, I'm agnostic on the question of whether Cuties should've been made, as I generally am with movies like Kids (1995) that were challenged for similar reasons I'm pretty comfortable with saying Pretty Baby (1978), which features actual underage nudity, doesn't need to exist
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But that's why I'm pretty open these days about thinking that "freedom of expression" isn't an absolute and that can be abrogated by other concerns Do these people feel the same way? They sound all absolutist about free speech in the abstract but their examples are all so tame
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Like, I also don't think all copies of The Turner Diaries or The Protocols of the Elders of Zion should be destroyed but I don't want them publicly sold like they're just normal books I'd be pissed if I heard some teacher was using them as sources uncritically
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By their definition that means I'm someone who wants to "restrict or challenge" books Well yeah I plead guilty to that, and I think if you oppose me on that you should have the courage to do so openly, with the worst examples, and not the ones you know make you look good
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Like I legitimately actually want Lost Girls, which was a high-profile example from a famous creator that people really did fight bitterly over in the comics world, to be centered in discussions like this Let's go ahead and hash it out instead of dancing around it
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Alan Moore threw down this gauntlet about "free speech" -- "I'm a grown man who fantasizes about 14-year-old boys and girls fucking and I don't care who knows it and I'm rich and famous enough to sell a book about it" And the world at large just... kind of tiptoed past it
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Like we all just kind of pretend it didn't happen when discussing "Alan Moore, creator of Watchmen" and let it continue to be a "comics nerd" thing because the legal and moral issues involved legitimately will blow up many communities who all thought they had the same politics
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(See also: Half of the "hottest" content on AO3, and all of the content that AO3 explicitly fundraises for so they can have a legal team on call in case a government sends them a takedown notice for obscenity)
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Always fun to get people to think about what they would feel ok executin' someone over.
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There's... a pretty wide territory of gray area between "No legal content restrictions at all, of any kind" and "The person who made this content shall be executed"
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I mean... I don't actually believe in the death penalty for actual child pornographers (I don't believe in the death penalty in general) but I'm okay with the FBI keeping CP offline and putting the people who make and distribute in prison
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As long as a law is on the books, there is a gun at the end of the use of force continuum enforcing it. Maybe some day far from here that won't be the case, but here and now it is. That carries through from jaywalking to capital murder, and all points between.
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