IIRC there's even a thing where they typically used "repelled by garlic" as an example of the ridiculous things humans believe about vampires but then there's actually a family of revenats (hereditary ghouls, i.e. shitty half-vampires) who really are horribly poisoned by garlic
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Replying to @arthur_affect @social_scifi and
You can even pinpoint specific movies or books that inspired each Clan, like Brujah was invented to play the "teenage street punk" vampires from The Lost Boys, Toreador was the Byronic artiste vampires like Lestat from Anne Rice, etc etc
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Replying to @arthur_affect @social_scifi and
Well, now I'm hung up on what the Assamites are inspired by
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @social_scifi and
I think they're less a vampire trope and more that the White Wolf guys were really into Orientalist shit about the Assassins and wanted to make that literal for the sake of having a clan that was just vampire assassins you could hire to kill other vampires
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
You gotta keep in mind at first they only planned to do one game so their original idea required doing other monsters in vampire form if they wanted to include them at all Gangrel are werewolf vampires, Setites are mummy vampires
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
Yeah despite my love for the Gangrel they became an anachronism the second Werewolf came out and I don't feel like they ever really found a place for them after that
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Replying to @autogynamelia @arthur_affect and
The only one I can't square are Malkavians. I can't figure out what archetype from prior vampire fiction they're supposed to be.
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Replying to @nivenus @autogynamelia and
It's mostly the "knowing the truth makes you mad" and "insane asylums are classic horror settings". Less vampire specific, but it's still there.
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Replying to @social_scifi @autogynamelia and
Yeah I was thinking they may just be generic "mental illness is frightening" monsters.
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Replying to @nivenus @social_scifi and
Huh Yeah Malkavians are basically "What if the Renfield asylum scenes in Dracula were a person" aren't they
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Yeah, and the hot takes that vampirism is just a metaphor for various forms of mental illness or neurodivergence (OCD, ADHD, autism, etc.) are themselves pretty old
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Replying to @arthur_affect @autogynamelia and
iZOMBIE is, as you've pointed out, just a vampire show with zombie aesthetic, and I have never felt so represented by anything as I have by zombieism in that show
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