Well, now I'm hung up on what the Assamites are inspired by
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @social_scifi and
I think they're less a vampire trope and more that the White Wolf guys were really into Orientalist shit about the Assassins and wanted to make that literal for the sake of having a clan that was just vampire assassins you could hire to kill other vampires
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
You gotta keep in mind at first they only planned to do one game so their original idea required doing other monsters in vampire form if they wanted to include them at all Gangrel are werewolf vampires, Setites are mummy vampires
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
Yeah despite my love for the Gangrel they became an anachronism the second Werewolf came out and I don't feel like they ever really found a place for them after that
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Replying to @autogynamelia @arthur_affect and
The only one I can't square are Malkavians. I can't figure out what archetype from prior vampire fiction they're supposed to be.
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Replying to @nivenus @autogynamelia and
It's mostly the "knowing the truth makes you mad" and "insane asylums are classic horror settings". Less vampire specific, but it's still there.
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Replying to @social_scifi @autogynamelia and
Yeah I was thinking they may just be generic "mental illness is frightening" monsters.
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Replying to @nivenus @autogynamelia and
They tried to make it more interesting and less problematic in later books with "mental illness is not wacky" paragraphs, but never got there.
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Replying to @social_scifi @nivenus and
I had a Malkavian character who was actually entirely normal—emotionally healthy above and beyond even non-Malkavian Kindred—but for the fact that she had the Hollywood cartoon version of narcolepsy where she'd just randomly blink out for a while, usually during smth important
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @social_scifi and
I think this is canonically a side-effect of True Brujah overusing Temporis
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There's a Gehenna scenario which revolves around the idea that Troile lied and told everyone they killed Ilyes but Ilyes was, in fact, such a master of Temporis that he just escaped by time traveling to the present day
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