watching ENOLA HOLMES with @cearo_thyme got me thinking I have no fuckin clue what the difference between a Marquis and a Marquess is, or in what if any contexts other than RHCP songs the word is pronounced "mahr-KEE"
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @cearo_thyme
Trust the British to make a complicated peerage chart with two nigh identical ranks. It's like if we had President and Presidente
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They don't, it's a marquess in Britain and a marquis in France
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
the female version of Marquess is Marchioness
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Replying to @Klezmerstyle @arthur_affect and
but it's a fairly modern title in England since England didn't traditionally have places it called "marches" it's round-about the same rank as Earl but below Duke
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Replying to @Klezmerstyle @loudpenitent and
Well, they did, back in the day they had "marcher lords" on the border between Wales and England, but they didn't use the word "marquess" - that was a much later thing mimicking Francehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcher_Lord …
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Klezmerstyle and
For the peanut gallery, the word "march" is a subdivision of a country that's on a foreign border, a "county" is a subdivision that is not A marquess/marquis, who rules a march, outranks a count, who owns a county, because they're responsible for defending that border
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Klezmerstyle and
It's a whole thing about UK culture that after the UK became the UK with the 1707 Acts of Union, they were one united island and no longer had any foreign land borders, so the concept of a "march" was obsolete and the rank of "marquess" was a foreign thing
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Klezmerstyle and
They only had marquesses to match other countries' aristocracy and make it clear who had an equivalent rank to whom, as aristocratic titles became detached from their original purpose
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Well, I said it wrong, they fully officially became one nation-state in 1707 but for all practical purposes they were united with the ascension of James I of England/VI of Scots in 1603 They still had legacy titles for a while like the Lord of the Scottish Marches
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Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and
"Elizabeth was King, and now James is Queen"
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