No, there's also milk donation/purchasing. This is so ridiculous.
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Replying to @pmberkeley @Eristae and
So if Cohen were able to get donor milk through a milk bank, or the surrogate (or someone else) were able and willing to act as a wet nurse, you'd shut the fuck up and get off his back? I'm skeptical
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Eristae and
So if the people making the decision to have a baby by surrogacy were actually prioritizing the well-being of BOTH mother and child, I'd shut the fuck up? Yes. Yes. That is my entire fucking point. It doesn't matter if you're skeptical. You're not "with" the discussion.
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Replying to @pmberkeley @Eristae and
Okay, delete the part about the surrogate also acting as wet nurse, which you clearly interpret as a backdoor to "allowing her to be the baby's real mom" (gross) Would you shut the fuck up if he had a steady supply of donor milk from a bank
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Replying to @arthur_affect @pmberkeley and
(In reality, the most common scenario for surrogacy based on my reading is that the surrogate does in fact continue pumping and sending milk to the parents, but does not actually nurse the baby herself and bond with the infant, which, yes, I am well aware is your real objection)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @pmberkeley and
(Of course that depends on the surrogate maintaining an ongoing relationship with the parents post-birth and continuing to disrupt her own life in order to pump etc And how "ethical" it is to ask that of both parties, and for how long, is the whole matter at hand)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Eristae and
Yeah it's an entire Thing to do surrogacy, can you please just acknowledge it shouldn't be done lightly and move on with your life? This whole conversation is stupid. Nobody here is confronting what surrogacy actually means or the implications for mother and child.
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Replying to @pmberkeley @Eristae and
A gay couple engaging a surrogate because it's the only way they can have biologically related kids is not "doing it lightly" I don't think ANYONE "does it lightly", given the expense and the degree to which it requires opening up access to your family to another person
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Replying to @arthur_affect @pmberkeley and
I mean holy shit the average child conceived through surrogacy was conceived IMMENSELY less "lightly" than the average "natural" child There's millions of kids born every year who were conceived BY ACCIDENT
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Replying to @arthur_affect @pmberkeley and
Sometimes these things do happen by accident. I remember one time I got really drunk and met this lesbian couple at a bar. One thing led to another, and I saved a sample of my sperm at a fertility clinic for my them to use. Luckily we were able to get Plan B.
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The Flight of the Conchords song "Jenny", where Jemaine is confronted by a woman he had a one night stand with years ago, during which they filled out all the paperwork to adopt a child from another country
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BrianDavi and
The end the song reveals that she was mistaken and she adopted that child with another guy
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