If you haven't noticed I really, really hate the Prime Directive
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
The Prime Directive is one of those things where people are composing doctrines *reactively*, rather than proactively, imo.
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Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl
Another thing about the Prime Directive is it was originally much less extreme than it became in later iterations. But I'll admit I even disagree with the milder form philosophically.
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It's also true though that to some extent it's a real life thing. Like, a lot of governments have laws against contacting isolated tribes but (like in Star Trek) allow remote surveillance of them. And if say a natural disaster happens there's an actual debate about intervening.
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I personally think keeping uncontacted tribes in what amounts to a zoo for researchers isn't really that great but I get it's a reaction to previous generations just exploiting the fuck out of them.
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Replying to @nivenus @loudpenitent
Yeah I mean if there was observation of crimes against humanity committed by those groups against their people I would say not intervening was a crime against humanity in itself
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Well we CAN'T observe them because of the non-interference rule so we have no way of knowing
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The thing is that in both Star Trek *and* real life that's not how the policy works though. Like in Star Trek, the Federation sends down scientists to observe pre-warp civilizations all the time, either in disguise or from a secret lab.
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Replying to @nivenus @arthur_affect and
And IRL, anthropologists and local governments are aware of where uncontacted tribes exist and keep an eye on them, partly to *make sure* no one contacts them. So observation is definitely in play.
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Yeah I've seen repeated cases of drone flyovers of uncontacted people.
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It's a whole thing revealed in Enterprise that the Vulcans have had teams watching us for generations and accidental contact with them led to our legend of elves and whatnot But they watched us almost destroy ourselves in WW3 and did nothing
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
the IDEA of prime directive "you gotta let other cultures be or else bad stuff happens" is a nice IDEA in the "sorry about colonialism" sense. But holding the prime directive as more important than "genocide is bad" is demonstrably fucked.
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Replying to @Plutoburns @arthur_affect and
like, even without real world testing, you should realize that some stuff is more important than YOU not being the bad guy
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