THAT is grimdark. The total normalization of a horrific atrocity, such that it is basically inescapable even for otherwise "good" people. TLOU2 is grimdark bc society bends towards decay & barbarism and NOBODY considers torture noteworthy, not bc bad things happen.
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What I'm trying to say in this whole argument is that there's a big difference between a genre of post-9/11 shows that were the equivalent of copaganda today that successfully convinced people the government needed to torture Muslims, and showing individuals doing torture
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I mean this is, itself, sort of an odd opinion because in reality quite a few soldiers don't seem to take it personally. So, you know - ideology about its inevitability is itself an ideological statement to excuse it, arguably?
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