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Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and

      But Cain describes seeing the periodic vans carrying condemned prisoners for "interrogation and live-fire exercises." He considers this totally routine. Presumably actually bad people in the context of 40k, to be clear - Cain's version of the canon rarely goes full grimdark.

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    2. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and

      But still - a normal, routine part of this school's operations - in a place where the faculty genuinely like & care for their charges - is training likable and "normal" teenagers, w/school crushes and such, to perform torture and live-fire combat exercises w/death row prisoners.

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    3. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and

      THAT is grimdark. The total normalization of a horrific atrocity, such that it is basically inescapable even for otherwise "good" people. TLOU2 is grimdark bc society bends towards decay & barbarism and NOBODY considers torture noteworthy, not bc bad things happen.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain.‏ @BootlegGirl 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and

      I think it would be grimdark without the torture? Otherwise I don't disagree with the second part of your statement

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    5. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and

      The torture is a good example is my point. "Bad things happen" is not sufficient. "Bad things and moral atrocity happening is necessary and indeed a prerequisite to agency" is closer.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    6. Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain.‏ @BootlegGirl 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @loudpenitent @arthur_affect and

      It's not a prerequisite to agency I mean Abby has the most agency for most of the story and she doesn't use torture in the sense that you mean it during her story. (What she did to Joel was not for information.)

      2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    7. Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain.‏ @BootlegGirl 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @BootlegGirl @loudpenitent and

      The elusiveness of the meaning of "torture" here is really important IMO like personally I only consider the thing a narrative moral event horizon when it's something done in bases or prisons or facilities, by a systematic group, for information

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    8. Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain.‏ @BootlegGirl 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @BootlegGirl @loudpenitent and

      Because that definition is the one that media has been used in living memory to directly facilitate the acceptance of, and the thing we should worry about being considered okay

      2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    9. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and

      See I think that's absurd. Roughing up a captive beyond the necessities of combat by making them hurt for information or personal gratification is absolutely torture, with or without state backing.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    10. penitent admirer‏ @loudpenitent 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and

      You do not need a state for it to be torture, or an organization. You just need someone who wants to hurt someone already under their power very badly for personal gratification or to extract information.

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 13 Sep 2020
      Replying to @loudpenitent @BootlegGirl and

      Dark Matter had in one of its first few episodes the characters arguing about this and Four assuring everyone else that he knows what he's doing and he will get accurate information from interrogating their prisoner

      3:58 PM - 13 Sep 2020
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        2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 13 Sep 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and

          And as soon as they leave he calmly says "They were right, you know There is evidence that torture is of limited use as an interrogation technique However, after a difficult battle, I have always found it personally cathartic"

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        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 13 Sep 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @loudpenitent and

          Like, you know, this guy was just trying to fucking kill you Are you really gonna follow the Geneva Conventions and treat him as an honored guest The actual historical motivation for torture - it's a reward for the winners and a deterrent for the losers - is obvious

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