There's a difference between believing that an execution is morally necessary and demanding to be in the audience for it Not just saying it's okay if racists get punched but making a YouTube channel collecting clips of racists getting punched from across the country
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And I mean I don't think she's saying that's bad, I think she's just saying our norms are in conflict Liberal modern society pretends that we all hate violence and harm and having to punish wrongdoers is a grim necessity we only do out of duty
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But of course we're lying, humans are weak If we actually didn't want to punish people, we just wouldn't punish them When we do punish people it's because we like it, it makes us feel good, it's baked into the brain's reward centers And I think she's just saying to own that
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I'm all here for not punishing people. People either do bad things because they're bad people or because they're forced into it. If they're bad people then maybe therapy and access to medications could help and, if not, then maybe they need to be kept safely away from others.
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Replying to @phyphor @arthur_affect and
But none of that is punishment. And why would you punish someone for something outside their control? If they're forced into it then we need to improve whatever systemic issue caused that, and help the person escape that pressure. Again, what does punishment achieve?
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Replying to @phyphor @arthur_affect and
If someone does something they know they shouldn't because they believe nobody will punch them in the face, then it's only right to punch that person in the face, I'll go even further and say it's your moral duty. It feels good too, but it also has a purpose.
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Replying to @ImpPercyPtible @phyphor and
Just the thought of people doing harmful things because they are confident there won't be consequences makes me incredibly uncomfortable. I think that the awareness of consequences is something that should be protected, if that makes any sense.
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Replying to @ImpPercyPtible @arthur_affect and
I don't believe there should be no consequences, but restorative and rehabilitative justice seems better than revenge based justice. You sound like Christians who claim you can't be good without God.
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Replying to @phyphor @arthur_affect and
In my case it's less about retaliation and more about a deep disgust for impunity. Like, if someone fucked up and is deeply regretful then punishment seems kinda meaningless IMHO.
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Replying to @ImpPercyPtible @phyphor and
Right, and there's a practical reason for that -- people who openly get away with shit encourage others to try -- but the disgust is a preprogrammed thing that runs deeper than the rational awareness of this calculation
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Hence it carries over to situations where that arguably doesn't apply Like, if nobody *knows* he did it then his example can't possibly encourage other people to try it too, but someone whose sins have been completely covered up offends us *more* than other kinds of impunity
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Replying to @arthur_affect @ImpPercyPtible and
As always what seems like a very small picture kneejerk evolutionary response makes "game-theoretic sense" on the very big picture It's the idea that exposing an evildoer is always a positive good because then everyone knows, as a general principle, evildoers do get exposed
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