There's a difference between believing that an execution is morally necessary and demanding to be in the audience for it Not just saying it's okay if racists get punched but making a YouTube channel collecting clips of racists getting punched from across the country
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And I mean I don't think she's saying that's bad, I think she's just saying our norms are in conflict Liberal modern society pretends that we all hate violence and harm and having to punish wrongdoers is a grim necessity we only do out of duty
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But of course we're lying, humans are weak If we actually didn't want to punish people, we just wouldn't punish them When we do punish people it's because we like it, it makes us feel good, it's baked into the brain's reward centers And I think she's just saying to own that
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I'm all here for not punishing people. People either do bad things because they're bad people or because they're forced into it. If they're bad people then maybe therapy and access to medications could help and, if not, then maybe they need to be kept safely away from others.
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Replying to @phyphor @arthur_affect and
But none of that is punishment. And why would you punish someone for something outside their control? If they're forced into it then we need to improve whatever systemic issue caused that, and help the person escape that pressure. Again, what does punishment achieve?
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Replying to @phyphor @arthur_affect and
If someone does something they know they shouldn't because they believe nobody will punch them in the face, then it's only right to punch that person in the face, I'll go even further and say it's your moral duty. It feels good too, but it also has a purpose.
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Replying to @ImpPercyPtible @phyphor and
Just the thought of people doing harmful things because they are confident there won't be consequences makes me incredibly uncomfortable. I think that the awareness of consequences is something that should be protected, if that makes any sense.
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Replying to @ImpPercyPtible @arthur_affect and
I don't believe there should be no consequences, but restorative and rehabilitative justice seems better than revenge based justice. You sound like Christians who claim you can't be good without God.
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Replying to @phyphor @ImpPercyPtible and
Ironically, I think the thing about this conversation is Contra herself is trying to avoid moral judgment of other people's sense of justice (or her own) I'm not saying retributive justice is *good*, it's quite likely to end up being the death of the human race, but it exists
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Replying to @arthur_affect @phyphor and
It's really really baked in to human psychology, it's one of those things where it's gonna be much harder to uproot than just telling people not to indulge in it because it's a bad idea
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A big chunk of what Jesus talks about is the shocking and counterintuitive message to give up retributive justice, it apparently upset and confused a lot of people according to the story
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Replying to @arthur_affect @phyphor and
And as much as Christianity's rapid expansion was driven by the energy of this revolutionary message and how appealing and powerful it is when you first hear it, they've been pretty bad at actually living by it
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