There's a difference between believing that an execution is morally necessary and demanding to be in the audience for it Not just saying it's okay if racists get punched but making a YouTube channel collecting clips of racists getting punched from across the country
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And I mean I don't think she's saying that's bad, I think she's just saying our norms are in conflict Liberal modern society pretends that we all hate violence and harm and having to punish wrongdoers is a grim necessity we only do out of duty
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But of course we're lying, humans are weak If we actually didn't want to punish people, we just wouldn't punish them When we do punish people it's because we like it, it makes us feel good, it's baked into the brain's reward centers And I think she's just saying to own that
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I'm all here for not punishing people. People either do bad things because they're bad people or because they're forced into it. If they're bad people then maybe therapy and access to medications could help and, if not, then maybe they need to be kept safely away from others.
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Replying to @phyphor @arthur_affect and
But none of that is punishment. And why would you punish someone for something outside their control? If they're forced into it then we need to improve whatever systemic issue caused that, and help the person escape that pressure. Again, what does punishment achieve?
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I take a very "it's me or them" approach with some people If we live in a reality in which it's not possible to give certain people a deserved retribution then you are condemning _me_ to a cruel and unusual punishment for the rest of my life and it'd be better to euthanize me
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @phyphor and
There are some people I am so disgusted to share this world with that, if you told me with scientific certainty they couldn't face punishment for what they did without eroding the foundation of a just and functional society, I would leave this world just to get away from it
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I'm a fan of "emotivism", which is the philosophical stance that there is no difference between the emotions we associate with morality and morality itself, that the idea that right and wrong exist in this abstract sense outside of the reaction of human beings is false
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
It sort of exists on the opposite pole of "moral realism", which is controversial and opens one up to accusations of being amoral "Would X still be wrong if nobody who existed in the world thought it was wrong?", etc.
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
But I mean I think that's stupid You have no way of "knowing" whether things are right and wrong separate from how people react to them, we could live in the world where murder and rape are right and we're all just wrong for thinking it's wrong, you can't prove otherwise
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And I think emotivism is a very strong way to plant a moral flag, honestly There is no difference between saying "I think you're an evil man" and "You piss me off so bad I want to throw up" You can't argue me out of it ("That's just, like, your opinion, man")
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
Like yeah of course it's my opinion, of course it's just an emotional reaction, and I'm going to *act on* that emotional reaction, because that's what it means to be a human being, because that's why you act on anything
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