Or funny and cathartic to see a nazi punched in the face- if that makes me a sadist 
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Replying to @darbehoney @Nymphomachy
I think her point is that "sadism" isn't an evil thing and is a universal human impulse
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
ngl I find the lengths people will commonly go to in order to say that “I am glad this person is being hurt/injured/harmed, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside” isn’t ‘sadism’ when they do it because Reasons disturb me more than sadism itself ever could, for p much this reason
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“Actually it doesn’t count as wanting there to be corpses if what I want is dead Nazis”-ass Why Are You Convinced This Defense Is Coherent And Necessary logic when you could just be pro-harm to Nazis but that’d take thinking about more than aesthetics I guess? istg
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect
I mean most primatologists appear to have concluded that we seem to have an innate, biological sense of fairness, I just don't think it's an accurate characterization of appeals to that sense of fairness to call it "sadism"
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @chrysopoetics
We have a bunch of different drives, and several of those drives require harming other people in some way to be satisfied, and thus the existence of those drives leads to our associating other people's pain with our pleasure and what we call "sadism"
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Obviously the word "sadism" from the Marquis de Sade goes a little bit further and takes it into the realm of "perversion" or fetish, of supposedly liking people suffering "for its own sake" But I don't think it's that easy to detach one from the other
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
If you presume “who it’s happening to” is a kind of means to an end, it’s remarkably difficult to get people on the record as experiencing sadism as an end in itself as opposed to a non-independent means So once that’s generally a given, no-true-Scotsmanning it is bizarre to me
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @Nymphomachy
I mean, the kink can go either way - plenty of people's kink is INjustice and fantasizing about horrible things happening to innocents - but it's just as common for punishment of the guilty to be an actual literal sexual kink
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The whole fetish scenario is this elaborate thing to give the person a "comeuppance" so you can justify the things you want to see happen to them
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It's not a subtle dynamic at all in mainstream entertainment even, that you create a "Love to Hate" kind of villain character so that you can make awful things happen to them and the audience will agree that it's funny or satisfying
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
The first time I isolated that this logic was a thing and that it made me uncomfortable was “of course I enjoyed [reading a scene with] that [fictional] child-abusing fascist getting beaten, how dare you /accuse/ me of sadism for this” being treated as a coherent reason to be mad
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Like Mx. that’s your brain making one or more happy chemicals happen in response to the perceived suffering of another, and this, meanwhile, is an Arby’s
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