Or funny and cathartic to see a nazi punched in the face- if that makes me a sadist 
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Replying to @darbehoney @Nymphomachy
I think her point is that "sadism" isn't an evil thing and is a universal human impulse
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
ngl I find the lengths people will commonly go to in order to say that “I am glad this person is being hurt/injured/harmed, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside” isn’t ‘sadism’ when they do it because Reasons disturb me more than sadism itself ever could, for p much this reason
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“Actually it doesn’t count as wanting there to be corpses if what I want is dead Nazis”-ass Why Are You Convinced This Defense Is Coherent And Necessary logic when you could just be pro-harm to Nazis but that’d take thinking about more than aesthetics I guess? istg
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect
I mean most primatologists appear to have concluded that we seem to have an innate, biological sense of fairness, I just don't think it's an accurate characterization of appeals to that sense of fairness to call it "sadism"
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @chrysopoetics
We have a bunch of different drives, and several of those drives require harming other people in some way to be satisfied, and thus the existence of those drives leads to our associating other people's pain with our pleasure and what we call "sadism"
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Obviously the word "sadism" from the Marquis de Sade goes a little bit further and takes it into the realm of "perversion" or fetish, of supposedly liking people suffering "for its own sake" But I don't think it's that easy to detach one from the other
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Like that's her whole point, this goes beyond abstract moral approval of wrongdoers being punished, people *actively seek it out*, they make whole subreddits for it, it's one of their hobbies
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There's a difference between believing that an execution is morally necessary and demanding to be in the audience for it Not just saying it's okay if racists get punched but making a YouTube channel collecting clips of racists getting punched from across the country
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And I mean I don't think she's saying that's bad, I think she's just saying our norms are in conflict Liberal modern society pretends that we all hate violence and harm and having to punish wrongdoers is a grim necessity we only do out of duty
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But of course we're lying, humans are weak If we actually didn't want to punish people, we just wouldn't punish them When we do punish people it's because we like it, it makes us feel good, it's baked into the brain's reward centers And I think she's just saying to own that
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I'm all here for not punishing people. People either do bad things because they're bad people or because they're forced into it. If they're bad people then maybe therapy and access to medications could help and, if not, then maybe they need to be kept safely away from others.
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Replying to @phyphor @arthur_affect and
But none of that is punishment. And why would you punish someone for something outside their control? If they're forced into it then we need to improve whatever systemic issue caused that, and help the person escape that pressure. Again, what does punishment achieve?
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