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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect

      sure, but for it to get out of hand you ultimately have to accept the premise that the number of people who can be punished for a crime can rightfully exceed the number of people who committed it If you accept "innocent people are off-limits", your scope narrows

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    2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @Nymphomachy

      Well it gets out of hand because if you do the worst thing you can do to the other guy -- kill him and leave his body to be eaten by crows etc -- then his family will come after you for doing that, and whoever kills you will then become the target for your own loved ones

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    3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy

      It gets out of hand because of kinship networks where people feel like they themselves can owe a duty to vengeance on behalf of a relative or friend who got killed Which is the whole glue that holds society in general together etc

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    4. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect

      yeah I guess my point is that if kinship networks ruin revenge then maybe the problem is with the existence of kinship networks

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    5. Random832‏ @Random832 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @Nymphomachy @arthur_affect

      But *without* the kinship networks all you have to do to prevent anyone from ever taking revenge on you is pre-emptively murder anyone who you think might feel wronged by your actions.

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    6. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 4 Sep 2020
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      I mean if you don't accept it as axiomatic that "people who victimize the innocent need to be removed", then yes

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    7. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @Nymphomachy @Random832 @arthur_affect

      Doing harm to an innocent person should be a sufficiently intuitive source of outrage for anyone to the point that kinship networks as the mechanism for dispensing justice shouldn't be necessary

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    8. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @Nymphomachy @Random832

      Well yeah if people didn't suck we wouldn't need any form of violence to ever exist at all

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    9. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy @Random832

      But, like my original point was that a lot of wrongdoers really don't believe what they did was wrong, or at least won't admit it The whole problem of law and justice exists in the first place because of "disagreements"

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    10. Vapor Weyve‏ @Nymphomachy 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @arthur_affect @Random832

      well yeah but then doesn't that pretty much put a fork in the concept of restorative justice If somebody doesn't believe that what they did was wrong then making them do something to mitigate the damage does fuckall in terms of salving the wound

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      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Sep 2020
      Replying to @Nymphomachy @Random832

      I dunno, usually the whole thing about vengeance is that from the avenger's side it's also kind of mutually exclusive with the desire for reconciliation "I don't want his apology, I want him dead"

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        2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Sep 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy @Random832

          I think what she's trying to do here is point out that retributive justice isn't just a matter of people being simpleminded or ignorant, and likewise the people who call retributive justice a failure aren't just trying to be "nice"

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        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 4 Sep 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy @Random832

          The desire for retribution is a deeply felt universal human imperative, it's one of the greatest sources of fulfillment and pleasure for human beings, it's core to our sense of identity and wholeness and community People LOVE punishing, you wouldn't be human if you didn''

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