Also I'm not really defending Odysseus murdering all those suitors but like I don't know if there would have been a similarly reliable way of getting them all to fuck off and leave Ithaka after literally a decade of sunk costs what's to stop them from poisoning Odysseus
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So a lot of this is basically unpacking the aphorism that "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind", which, like, fine, whatever, that's kind of an innocuous pursuit, but I've always found this particular kind of concern to be more than a little disingenuous
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Like an eye for an eye only leaves the whole world blind if you take eyes from people who haven't taken eyes If you only take eyes from eye-takers, specifically, and set aside culpability by association, you still have plenty of be-eyeballed people left over
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I mean maybe you don't have to have a whole fucking World War I if you don't do this sort of weird tribalistic network bullshit and just shoot Gavrilo Princip in the face and move on with your lives
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Sidenote, I kind of feel like "Jesus of Nazareth preached love and forgiveness" kind of elides that he was—or is said to have been—speaking from the premise that the kingdom of god makes all this earthly shit look pointless Like if you both get heaven afterward, what's it matter
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And it wasn't even "everyone gets into Heaven", it's "everyone who really deserves to get to Heaven goes there and the people you turned the other cheek to on Earth will get theirs in Hell" Jesus' original sermons are very open about this
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People talk about how disturbingly sadistic Christian talk of Hell has always been, but really, Universalism is a much much harder sell
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Well I'm talking about from the restorative justice sense, where, like, if somebody cuts off my arm and then buys me a prosthesis, then he becomes a decent guy afterward and I forgive him, the scoreboard is still "Arm-chopper: some cash, Me: an arm", but it's fine because Heaven
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The question of what divine grace actually means in the theological sense is the whole big thing Christianity is about, and Jesus never explains it as directly as Paul (who's the actual inventor of the religion)
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But, I mean, Jesus' sermons and parables get at the visceral core of it To really think about the plank in your own eye most of all and all the asshole things you've ever done, and see that to let all that go you have to let what other people did go too
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The Parable of the Two Debtors, the guy whose boss wipes away his debt for millions of dollars but then he right away turns around goes hard after his coworker for the hundred bucks he owes him
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