"I don't think Odysseus is supposed to be an asshole" lady he literally invades allied territory to force one of his friends to kill his innocent daughter just to facilitate sea travel to stage a war for a woman he doesn't want to marry
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Literally the first thing he does in the Odyssey (chronologically, not narratively) is circle back around to rape and pillage yet another a Trojan settlement AFTER THE WAR HAS ALREADY BEEN SETTLED AND WON
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Vapor Weyve Retweeted Arthur Chu
This probably bears mentioning, yeah Even though I think ascribing it to "sadism" is kind of misreading the tone of the room in January 2017, after this dude had already used government property to shout "Heil Trump"https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1302045968917884928 …
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Also I'm not really defending Odysseus murdering all those suitors but like I don't know if there would have been a similarly reliable way of getting them all to fuck off and leave Ithaka after literally a decade of sunk costs what's to stop them from poisoning Odysseus
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So a lot of this is basically unpacking the aphorism that "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind", which, like, fine, whatever, that's kind of an innocuous pursuit, but I've always found this particular kind of concern to be more than a little disingenuous
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Like an eye for an eye only leaves the whole world blind if you take eyes from people who haven't taken eyes If you only take eyes from eye-takers, specifically, and set aside culpability by association, you still have plenty of be-eyeballed people left over
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I mean maybe you don't have to have a whole fucking World War I if you don't do this sort of weird tribalistic network bullshit and just shoot Gavrilo Princip in the face and move on with your lives
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Sidenote, I kind of feel like "Jesus of Nazareth preached love and forgiveness" kind of elides that he was—or is said to have been—speaking from the premise that the kingdom of god makes all this earthly shit look pointless Like if you both get heaven afterward, what's it matter
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I mean you could, I guess, say that that's the dark side to a doctrine of universal salvation, or any kind of empty-hell hypothesis If, as Kurt Vonnegut alleges, Hitler is in heaven alongside everyone he murdered, well then, why not just murder as many people as you want
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
Many people have talked about how the frequently-recurring idea that suicide automatically sends you to Hell feels incredibly sadistic And yet, if your religion is constantly talking up how awesome Heaven is compared to Earth, you really kind of have to say that
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As it was they already had a problem with all these people actively desperately trying to find a way to martyr themselves, as a kind of loophole to get out of this bullshit material universe early without dirtying their own hands
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