Contra is going full Margaret Atwood with her extreme level of emphasis on Odysseus executing his slaves for sleeping with Penelope's suitors, which... okay fine, that's the most fucked up moment in Homer, but where are you taking it
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"I don't think Odysseus is supposed to be an asshole" lady he literally invades allied territory to force one of his friends to kill his innocent daughter just to facilitate sea travel to stage a war for a woman he doesn't want to marry
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Literally the first thing he does in the Odyssey (chronologically, not narratively) is circle back around to rape and pillage yet another a Trojan settlement AFTER THE WAR HAS ALREADY BEEN SETTLED AND WON
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Vapor Weyve Retweeted Arthur Chu
This probably bears mentioning, yeah Even though I think ascribing it to "sadism" is kind of misreading the tone of the room in January 2017, after this dude had already used government property to shout "Heil Trump"https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1302045968917884928 …
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Also I'm not really defending Odysseus murdering all those suitors but like I don't know if there would have been a similarly reliable way of getting them all to fuck off and leave Ithaka after literally a decade of sunk costs what's to stop them from poisoning Odysseus
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So a lot of this is basically unpacking the aphorism that "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind", which, like, fine, whatever, that's kind of an innocuous pursuit, but I've always found this particular kind of concern to be more than a little disingenuous
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Like an eye for an eye only leaves the whole world blind if you take eyes from people who haven't taken eyes If you only take eyes from eye-takers, specifically, and set aside culpability by association, you still have plenty of be-eyeballed people left over
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I mean maybe you don't have to have a whole fucking World War I if you don't do this sort of weird tribalistic network bullshit and just shoot Gavrilo Princip in the face and move on with your lives
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Sidenote, I kind of feel like "Jesus of Nazareth preached love and forgiveness" kind of elides that he was—or is said to have been—speaking from the premise that the kingdom of god makes all this earthly shit look pointless Like if you both get heaven afterward, what's it matter
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And it wasn't even "everyone gets into Heaven", it's "everyone who really deserves to get to Heaven goes there and the people you turned the other cheek to on Earth will get theirs in Hell" Jesus' original sermons are very open about this
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
People talk about how disturbingly sadistic Christian talk of Hell has always been, but really, Universalism is a much much harder sell
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It does make some sense to me; I mean, when clearly awful people aren't getting what's coming to them, you have to imagine it, and predict it, or something. It's tricky, but I think it makes a lot less sense OUT of context.
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