God I’m so tired of people mentioning countries that did things like this. If the government tried forced cell phone monitoring in America there would have been civil rights lawsuits to the moon and back. The price of freedom is sometimes high.https://qz.com/1825997/taiwan-phone-tracking-system-monitors-55000-under-coronavirus-quarantine/ …
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Replying to @guardpilot @MikePerryavatar
Even if we just accept uncritically the idea that forcing people to download a tracing app at the cost of a fine (the stick) is unconstitutional, that doesn't mean you can't ask people to do it voluntarily You can even offer them money to do it (the carrot)
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Remember when we were all hoping for Google to save us, by doing exactly that An opt-in program specifically for Google's customers, on a purely volunteer basis, in hopes that people just like Google's branding enough to let Google monitor them for free
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MikePerryavatar
How’d that work out? Oh and people went nuts in this country over “smart” electrical meters and biometric ID cards. Good luck getting them to install a government tracking app.
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Replying to @guardpilot @MikePerryavatar
It wouldn't have worked because Google and Apple have no power to enforce an actual quarantine, and contact tracing is only meaningful as an adjunct to quarantine (otherwise you're literally just watching the fire spread)
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The quarantine part is the important part, and it's not rocket science You just give people money If you tell people "Come get tested and if you test positive, we will pay you to stay locked up for two weeks and take care of your room and board", they have every reason to do it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MikePerryavatar
What if they take the money and then delete the app? Also if you made quarantine part of testing, I seriously doubt you’d get many people showing up.
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Replying to @guardpilot @MikePerryavatar
Stop telling me things are impossible that *literally happened* in Taiwan, and South Korea, and Vietnam
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MikePerryavatar
Yeah it’s not like we have completely different cultures or anything. Say, do everyday sick people (like having a cold) wear masks in those places?
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Replying to @guardpilot @MikePerryavatar
My family is from Taiwan, and I am not here for stupid-ass Orientalist arguments about how Asians are a completely different subspecies of human who take naturally to subservient submission because they're all Borg drones at heart
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People in Taiwan are just as capable of being selfish, shitty, stubborn, etc. as anyone else But they respond rationally to incentives, and they respond to their environment, to social pressure and to signals they receive from leaders That's what a leader's job is
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There's tons of Americans, especially when the outbreak first began, who were rightly TERRIFIED of infection and going to ABSURD lengths to avoid it All the memes about compulsively sanitizing your hands every five minutes, bleaching your groceries, etc.
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The American "national spirit of cooperation" WORE OFF over time, as people naturally got frustrated and pissed off because there was no central coordination so the half-assed measures we put in place didn't actually do anything
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