God I’m so tired of people mentioning countries that did things like this. If the government tried forced cell phone monitoring in America there would have been civil rights lawsuits to the moon and back. The price of freedom is sometimes high.https://qz.com/1825997/taiwan-phone-tracking-system-monitors-55000-under-coronavirus-quarantine/ …
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Replying to @guardpilot @MikePerryavatar
Even if we just accept uncritically the idea that forcing people to download a tracing app at the cost of a fine (the stick) is unconstitutional, that doesn't mean you can't ask people to do it voluntarily You can even offer them money to do it (the carrot)
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Remember when we were all hoping for Google to save us, by doing exactly that An opt-in program specifically for Google's customers, on a purely volunteer basis, in hopes that people just like Google's branding enough to let Google monitor them for free
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MikePerryavatar
How’d that work out? Oh and people went nuts in this country over “smart” electrical meters and biometric ID cards. Good luck getting them to install a government tracking app.
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Replying to @guardpilot @MikePerryavatar
It wouldn't have worked because Google and Apple have no power to enforce an actual quarantine, and contact tracing is only meaningful as an adjunct to quarantine (otherwise you're literally just watching the fire spread)
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The quarantine part is the important part, and it's not rocket science You just give people money If you tell people "Come get tested and if you test positive, we will pay you to stay locked up for two weeks and take care of your room and board", they have every reason to do it
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MikePerryavatar
What if they take the money and then delete the app? Also if you made quarantine part of testing, I seriously doubt you’d get many people showing up.
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Replying to @guardpilot @MikePerryavatar
Stop telling me things are impossible that *literally happened* in Taiwan, and South Korea, and Vietnam
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I hate this kind of conversation, like if I can't sit here and design a system right here and now that proves that there's nothing to do but just go buck fucking wild and let COVID-19 become endemic and have a million people die
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As far as your objection here goes: offer subsidies for a quarantine and contact tracing program where you get regular payments that only come in as long as your app keeps checking in It's not fucking hard, private employers do this with intrusive apps ALL THE TIME
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Why would people avoid testing in order to avoid getting quarantined? Well, possibly because in America people are dependent on their jobs, and getting a quarantine order often gives no guarantee at all that your income will be protected (especially gig work)
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"Paying people not to work" goes a long way to eliminating that barrier People like getting money for nothing The Republicans are acutely aware of this, which is why they are TERRIFIED of any subsidy, they're openly screaming how if you start it up no one will ever work again
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I think they're a bunch of fucking shitheads, but obviously for them to be able to entertain this idea at all, Americans can't be such pugnacious freedom-loving rebels as all that Not enough to turn down a check
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