How many people have been arrested, tortured and killed by Owen Jones? Ballpark estimate
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Replying to @arthur_affect @DemelzaPussycat
This is so fucking absurd Like you're yapping about this and you don't even realize the most absurdly, hilariously, tragicomically Orwellian thing about the UK press is how Owen Jones is your Emmanuel Goldstein
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Replying to @arthur_affect @DemelzaPussycat
I've never seen Owen be purposefully mean to anyone. Occasionally makes mistakes, like everyone else, but not some sort of ogre.
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Replying to @Gerkuman @DemelzaPussycat
I don't agree with him on a lot of things but he has always struck me as a fundamentally decent guy, a HELL of a lot more decent than the people who yell at him all the time
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gerkuman
I done know much about Owen Jones but he regularly denounces people (usually women) on Twitter (quoting them) and that makes me think of Orwell’s view of Thoughtcrime.That’s all.
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Replying to @DemelzaPussycat @Gerkuman
"Denouncing" things is normal Orwell denounced people all the time Thinking that people are wrong and should be yelled at for being wrong is not at all the same thing as censoring them, which is exactly why the term "wrongthink" for "crimethink" is obnoxious
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gerkuman
Suzanne Moore claims that he tried to get her sacked. People like him called for Rosie Duffield’s resignation. However, I don’t follow him closely. He has a sanctimonious air that reminds me of the children in the Youth League - Parsons’ children specifically. They don’t kill.
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Replying to @DemelzaPussycat @Gerkuman
And yet she wasn't sacked, and Rosie Duffield didn't resign, whereas Parsons' kids got their own father tortured and executed, so I guess this analogy is exactly as overwrought and histrionic as it sounds
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gerkuman
Books work metaphorically as well as literally. This is why 1984 has so much power in readers’ imagination as it does both as well as drawing on 20th Century History. The Youth League strike me as getting at something about OJ’s moral purity.
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Replying to @DemelzaPussycat @arthur_affect
But they only work metaphorically if they actually, you know, fit the extant situation. This does not. it feels as if you've already decided that there's some kind of evil cancelling horde out there. One should make the theory from the data, not pick data to suit one's theory
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There is one person in this whole conversation who has actually literally been physically assaulted for his views and it's Owen Jones, so this metaphor is not only bad but offensive
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Replying to @arthur_affect @DemelzaPussycat
Physically, and a constant barrage of verbal abuse from people :( lot of it being homophobic.
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Gerkuman
It’s dreadful that he was beaten up. And I find you offensive.
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