How is it not obvious that sex is a proxy measurement
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I feel like even cis people who think inside the binary should know this, because they have some idea of what makes a man or a woman and it's highly unlikely to be any of the things they can observe, see *gestures at bathroom discourse*
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Replying to @BootlegGirl
Hmm, wait - so is it that sex is a proxy for something else, or that we use dozens of variables (badly) as a proxy for sex?
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Replying to @mssilverstein
No, I mean, from any perspective, from bigoted to inclusive, knowing someone's sex without making more measurements than we usually do about people we do assume have a sex, is based on a proxy. Unless you Always Know :P
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @mssilverstein
So for me, as a random example, I will always accept someone's sex that they tell me as the true sex that person has (but sometimes, they are wrong about it and decide so later, so it's still not a *precision measurement*). In any case though I make assumptions.
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @mssilverstein
But I assume the sex of people I haven't spoken to. So does almost everyone. Nearly everyone makes a proxy measurement of sex using something (less clueful people use stereotypical traits and body traits, more clueful use gender presentation, but none of them measure "sex")
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @mssilverstein
As Serrano etc. have spent a lot of effort on demonstrating, sex itself is a measurement like "intelligence" that cannot be precise or reflect an objective reality, but even if you think it's something else, people make proxy judgments about what chromosomes or junk ppl have
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @mssilverstein
Sex in a statistical survey is almost always self-reported, and the whole thing is they used to assume both that everyone had accurate knowledge of their "biological sex" and that there was no reason to ever self-report "incorrectly"
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I.e. they see being trans as a strange pathology that started happening very recently
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This is the thing I got from arguing with T*RFs, that in reality almost all statistical knowledge we have of "biological sex" is already self-reported -- there's no way it can be otherwise, everything is self-reported -- and there's nothing they can do to stop that
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And they're deeply frustrated -- to the point of outright rage -- that they can't stop trans people from "skewing statistics" Hence the Janice Raymond level obsession leading to being full on social conservatives, that transness must be "morally mandated out of existence"
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