So what is the difference in this sense then? What are the needs met by like, Wing Chun kung fu. And for myself I was always more interested in the phenomenon of various "fake" arts with fake lineages, stuff that was more marketing than anything else.
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Replying to @dreamingnoctis @arthur_affect and
Chinese martial arts are a blind spot in my obsessive nerd hype fixation but a lot of them are about cultural preservation and Chinese nationalism. They often practice and train in full contact Sanda alongside it from what I understand
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Replying to @Cybren @dreamingnoctis and
It's also worth noting how recent a lot of 'traditional' martial arts are. Tae Kwon Do was similarly a nationalist project in post war korea. Jigoro Kano founds Judo in the late 19th century partly after reading western books on wrestling, where he adapts the fireman's carry
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Replying to @Cybren @dreamingnoctis and
My understanding is that the lineage of Chinese martial arts has the *least* bullshit in it but there's still a lot of bullshit As in, "Shaolin-style kung fu" is at least a thing that there's historical attestation for earlier than the 19th century
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
There are sources about how the fanciful idea of the "wuxia" is based on a real thing, that there was a tradition of close-quarters combat training developed by people working security for merchant caravans traveling through lawless regions of southern China in the Qing Dynasty
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
But yeah all of that history is drenched in layers of bullshit Historically significant bullshit, sure, but still bullshit The "boxing" the Boxer Rebellion built their ideology around was, I mean, a real thing they learned but it didn't work as advertised
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
I guess what complicates the sneering people have about weeaboos etc is that a lot of the bullshit is homegrown Like, the absurd stereotypes of "samurai" and "ninja" we have were *already there* in Japanese culture before we got wind of it, which doesn't make it any more real
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Replying to @arthur_affect @dreamingnoctis and
Yeah Bujinkan ninjitsu is mostly a load of bullshit about pop culture concepts of what ninjas are, from what I understand, but it's also an entirely japanese organization founded in the 70s
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Replying to @Cybren @dreamingnoctis and
It's like how people in America were somewhat upset about The Last Samurai with Tom Cruise because it's "cultural appropriation" but people in Japan were VERY upset about it because it was far-right fascist propaganda
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
Excuse me. I'm Japanese in Japan. I never heard that The Last Samurai is far-right propaganda. There are some "misunderstood Japan" things, but people enjoyed the movie as an entertainment.
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Well, I'm only passing on what I've heard, most people in general probably don't take movies that seriously
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