Ok, fair. And there is a pretty broad "Rome fell because it became Christian" take out there in Western historiography, usually lauding the pagans.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @Cybren and
Yeah it's funny because we kind of associate being really into Roman paganism with witchy New Age feminism etc. today but that's a hugely whitewashed image of what it was actually like and what people nostalgic for it historically were like
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
I read a review of Vidal's Julian where the reviewer was like "Okay, but how would a modern world based on the pre-Christian Roman Empire be *better* than the one we have Like actually less sexist, racist, imperialist, in favor of slavery-based economics"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and
"As obnoxious as I think the Jesus people are, the biggest difference I can see is we'd be cutting open a lot more animals to look at their entrails, instead of wastefully throwing the entrails away to make dog food"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
We all coulda gotten super into Mithras, though.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and
Honestly I would have traded Jesus in for Glycon There's, I think, something kind of endearing about worshipping a snake puppet
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @mssilverstein and
Gnosticism get's a lot of shit since it's the go-to for genre fiction authors that want "christianity but weird" but come on who doesn't love a good demiurge
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Replying to @Cybren @Nymphomachy and
Yeah - I think the problem generally is that while people (like us, especially) like to spend a lot of time talking about complex cosmologies, the way religions become successful is spending more time stressing everyday good deeds.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @Cybren and
You get a bigger audience with a soup kitchen than a "and HERE is why the world is an evil illusion created by a blind god"
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Replying to @mssilverstein @Cybren and
I always liked how, when you get right down to it, the morally "best" faction in Planescape is the Bleak Cabal They have no grand plan to fix everything, they just run the city's soup kitchen and the homeless shelter
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Their whole message is "Everything is fucked and none of it will ever make any goddamn sense and it's completely understandable and okay if that makes you just lie down and give up And people who've lain down and given up deserve kindness"
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