I too lurked on http://bullshido.net
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Replying to @Cybren @arthur_affect and
Oh I've seen it from lots of places beyond that. Youtube videos as well, lol. I'm not coming down on either side of whether it's ACCURATE because I have no idea at all. It just reminds me of it.
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Replying to @dreamingnoctis @arthur_affect and
It is generally accurate but that’s because they’re different products meeting different needs basically
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Replying to @Cybren @arthur_affect and
So what is the difference in this sense then? What are the needs met by like, Wing Chun kung fu. And for myself I was always more interested in the phenomenon of various "fake" arts with fake lineages, stuff that was more marketing than anything else.
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Replying to @dreamingnoctis @arthur_affect and
Chinese martial arts are a blind spot in my obsessive nerd hype fixation but a lot of them are about cultural preservation and Chinese nationalism. They often practice and train in full contact Sanda alongside it from what I understand
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Replying to @Cybren @dreamingnoctis and
It's also worth noting how recent a lot of 'traditional' martial arts are. Tae Kwon Do was similarly a nationalist project in post war korea. Jigoro Kano founds Judo in the late 19th century partly after reading western books on wrestling, where he adapts the fireman's carry
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Replying to @Cybren @dreamingnoctis and
My understanding is that the lineage of Chinese martial arts has the *least* bullshit in it but there's still a lot of bullshit As in, "Shaolin-style kung fu" is at least a thing that there's historical attestation for earlier than the 19th century
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
There are sources about how the fanciful idea of the "wuxia" is based on a real thing, that there was a tradition of close-quarters combat training developed by people working security for merchant caravans traveling through lawless regions of southern China in the Qing Dynasty
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
But yeah all of that history is drenched in layers of bullshit Historically significant bullshit, sure, but still bullshit The "boxing" the Boxer Rebellion built their ideology around was, I mean, a real thing they learned but it didn't work as advertised
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
I guess what complicates the sneering people have about weeaboos etc is that a lot of the bullshit is homegrown Like, the absurd stereotypes of "samurai" and "ninja" we have were *already there* in Japanese culture before we got wind of it, which doesn't make it any more real
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Just like actual Western gunslingers like Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson were able to read ridiculous exaggerations of their own exploits in dime novels published during their lifetime
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
And nonsense mysticism about the ancient tradition of Chinese martial arts is absolutely a chauvinistic Chinese nationalism thing and has been for centuries It *still is*, it's why this guy is being politically persecutedhttps://deadspin.com/he-never-intended-to-become-a-political-dissident-but-1838706430 …
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Cybren and
Yeah, the eyepatchwolf video posted above details this guys story and it is...it's really something. Like, this is what an ACTUAL attempt at cancelling someone for some kind of ideological infraction looks like. Not telling a conservative that their ideas are worthless.
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