Arianism keeps getting reinvented in new regions colonized by Christianity all over the world because, bluntly, it makes more sense than Athanasianism Mormons are American Arians, the Taiping Rebellion was Chinese Arians
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Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein
It feels like if you're a Christian from antiquity the only reason not to be Arian is because you really like Jesus a lot Like, I haven't read the gospels but I'm pretty sure Jesus never actually says "I'm God, I made the earth, you gotta worship me, specifically"
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @mssilverstein
Well, he said some weird things that got him accused of blasphemy at the time and helped contribute to him ending up executed as a dangerous heretic
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The Gospel of John is considered the least likely of the Gospels to be historical but it does give us a pretty clear story of Jesus saying that he's Godpic.twitter.com/nw4quUOmSx
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Openly invoking "I am" is ambiguous but not that ambiguous, like if you know what that means you know why they immediately tried to kill him
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A lot of the Christian proof text verses come from Jesus' famous "I am" statements in John - "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me"
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To be fair to the Athanasians, Trinitarianism is a direct result of trying to wrestle with the grandiosity of some of the stuff Jesus is supposed to have said (especially in the Gospel of John but not just there) that gets elaborated on in places like the Epistle to the Hebrews
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Some very Hellenistic stuff about what it means to be the "Word of God made flesh", the "perfect reflection" of God's will and intentions on Earth
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Goethe's Faust depicts the pious, pre-temptation Faust spending all his time wrestling with abstract theology rather than seeing knowledge as a path to power The example we're given is Faust obsessing over how to translate "Logos" in John into modern language
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He decides that the traditional translation "the Word" is wrong and makes God out to be much more passive than he is, that a Logos is an *act*, a pattern or code of behavior, of *deeds* (prefiguring his fall based on "I want to CHANGE THE WORLD even if it's for the worse")
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It's the whole philosophical thing of saying there can't be a distinction between the Logos and God, like if the Logos means all the things God has done then that IS who God is
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When you say "I don't know who John is deep inside, all I know is the sum total of the things he's done and the effect he's had on other people" and the wise man says to you "That's all there is to know"
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