If Biden gets elected all the resistance suburbanites currently going "You just want four more years of Trump!!!!" are going to respond to any criticism of the president with "well then I guess you must really miss Trump!!!"
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People keep saying "this is the most progressive ticket in Dem history" and I don't see it? What I see is a party that Trumpism has dragged more inexorably toward the right, more heedless of marginalized voices and more intrigued by fascist ones than it has been in years?
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
If THIS really was the most progressive ticket in Dem history that would be super depressing, which by itself leads me to find it more plausible
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Replying to @FartCaptor @Nymphomachy
Well which ticket was more progressive than it is
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Replying to @arthur_affect @FartCaptor
I would argue that any ticket where a Democrat was like "I'm going to be bipartisan", was more progressive than this ticket, which is also pledging to be bipartisan but at a stage where the Republicans are more overtly a fascist plague state death cult than they've ever been
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The further right the Republican party goes, the more right-wing a policy it is to respect their humanity So by that token, Obama 08 was more progressive than Obama 12, Hillary and this ticket
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @FartCaptor
Wait so how far back do you take that, like was Clinton/Gore 1992 more progressive than Obama/Biden 2008
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Replying to @arthur_affect @FartCaptor
iirc Clinton/Gore preceded (and in fact was the catalyst for) Newt Gingrich's scorched-earth tactics that directly evolved into Mitch McConnell's complete stonewalling of progress and dismantling of government, as well as preceding the Patriot Act, so there's an argument there
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Replying to @Nymphomachy @FartCaptor
But Clinton explicitly ran on being a centrist conservative Democrat as a break from the failed progressivism of the past! That's what "New Democrat" at that time meant!
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I mean what I'm kind of getting at here is this is a kind of self contradictory thing to be arguing Within the mythmaking of the late 20th century there absolutely is a perception that McGovern '72 hit the "limits of progressivism" and everyone since has run to the right
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But if you look at the actual content of McGovern's platform this is kind of absurd I guess you could argue it if you're like Matt Stoller and you think same-sex marriage etc are all meaningless theater
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