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Mad genius, comedian, actor, and freelance voiceover artist broadcasting from the distant shores of Lake Erie (he/him)

Broadview Heights, Ohio
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    1. Cyrus @ vax adventures, or advaxtures‏ @chrysopoetics 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @chrysopoetics @patiencemosher and

      So: I have experience with naive/condescending “omg terrible thing” narratives but tend to pin my problem on sort of… the tone that’s excitedly leering “omgggg did you knowwww this is, like, bad? I blew your mind right? I totally blew your mind??”, not the beholding of torture

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    2. Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain.‏ @BootlegGirl 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @chrysopoetics @patiencemosher and

      And like, again bringing up TLOU, I feel like torture specifically got politicized for all the terrible reasons it was in the 2000s, so now when it appears even in a narrative where the person doing it is the furthest thing from a state actor, everyone talks about George Bush

      3 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    3.  🌙Radical Dreamingnoctis ⭐ 🔞-Battra stan.‏ @dreamingnoctis 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @BootlegGirl @chrysopoetics and

      Yeah, it's def. occupying a similar cultural space that certain types of Clint Eastwood derived vigilante narratives have occupied, insofar s being associated with a specific kind of right wing politics of a specific era.

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    4. Baal Ska Tov‏ @mssilverstein 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @dreamingnoctis @BootlegGirl and

      Are we talking about torture-to-get-information or torture-to-hurt-people

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Cyrus @ vax adventures, or advaxtures‏ @chrysopoetics 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @mssilverstein @dreamingnoctis and

      Tag urself Ellie’s (1) and I’m (2) (This is a shitpost about our respective taste in horror/apocalypse narrative that is not useful as an answer progressing the discussion.)

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    6. Baal Ska Tov‏ @mssilverstein 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @chrysopoetics @dreamingnoctis and

      I think that's the thing, though - when it's (1), whether or not we're talking about a state actor, we're talking about something a state COULD do, and if it works, 'should' do if the threat is big enough. (2) is a different thing.

      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    7. Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain.‏ @BootlegGirl 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @mssilverstein @chrysopoetics and

      Ugh I guess I just don't think that the idea that beating someone up to get them to give you information is somehow linked in a way that gives some kind of authorial culpability to state use of torture

      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    8. Cyrus @ vax adventures, or advaxtures‏ @chrysopoetics 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @BootlegGirl @mssilverstein and

      There’s “beating someone up to [try to] get them to give you information” and then there’s “someone gives you accurate information because you beat them up” and I’m informed the difference is potentially crucial, fwiw

      2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    9. Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain.‏ @BootlegGirl 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @chrysopoetics @mssilverstein and

      I'm not entirely convinced that people NEVER give out accurate information when placed under duress, I get that politically we have to assert that for like, prisoners of war But especially in a story where torture notably DOESN'T work when done by a military, it seems different

      2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    10. Baal Ska Tov‏ @mssilverstein 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @BootlegGirl @chrysopoetics and

      I mean, never? Sure. But generally people just say whatever will get the torture to stop. And given that their torturer doesn't *know* the information, what gets it to stop is whatever they find satisfactory.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @mssilverstein @BootlegGirl and

      Part of the problem is that there really isn't ANY interrogation protocol where "Tell the interrogator what you think they want to hear and not the truth" isn't a valid strategy sometimes

      7:12 PM - 14 Aug 2020
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      • Dr. Samantha Hancox-Li Cesar Castañon J. C. Cantwell Sartre's Waiter Murderclown Hostage Dr. Ellie Lockhart. Republic serial villain. 🌙Radical Dreamingnoctis⭐🔞-Battra stan. Cyrus @ vax adventures, or advaxtures Baal Ska Tov
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        2. Baal Ska Tov‏ @mssilverstein 14 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and

          Yeah - I mean, if there was a good and direct way to extract information, everyone would do it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Baal Ska Tov‏ @mssilverstein 14 Aug 2020
          Replying to @mssilverstein @arthur_affect and

          The issue for me, mostly, is when the text has some kind of implicit position that nothing works EXCEPT torture, and that the only reason people don't go to torture is that they're too moral or squeamish.

          0 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
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        2. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 14 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and

          This obviously works the same way with positive rather than negative reinforcement (bribing informants etc) and people try to mitigate it in similar ways (you don't get paid until the info is confirmed, "If I find out you lied to me I'll break your other leg")

          1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
        3. Arthur Chu‏Verified account @arthur_affect 14 Aug 2020
          Replying to @arthur_affect @mssilverstein and

          The most coldly pragmatic argument for why torture is a bad technique for getting info is it disrupts the ability of both interrogator and interrogatee to think clearly, it gets emotions involved, and that's bad for clarity

          1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
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