I genuinely thought it was, like, officially mainstream, because it was the one big name I’m used to people bringing up as context for who they’re complaining about on the assumption the referent is shared
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Replying to @chrysopoetics @arthur_affect and
See I don't think popular music has ever been popular with people who talk about music This is probably true for most things really
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @chrysopoetics and
You're mostly right although there is quite a bit of anti-hipster music discourse these days where people who are really into music get hype about Beyonce and Lady Gaga and Billie Eilish
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Replying to @dulcedejae @BootlegGirl and
In the case of Lady Gaga and Billie Eilish it's interesting because they very much did build their persona on doing shit that was avant-garde and weird and alienating when they started out but then legitimately became mainstream when they kept getting #1 hits
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Replying to @arthur_affect @dulcedejae and
There was a lot of this discourse in the '90s where in the post-Nirvana world the "alternative" section of Tower Records was the one that was most popular with kids, which raises the obvious question of what "alternative" even means
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Replying to @arthur_affect @dulcedejae and
The most interesting thing about this is that in the case of Stefanie Germanotta/Lady Gaga this was a *deliberate strategy* She's talked a lot about how when she came up with the Lady Gaga persona she'd decided she was "going to become a #1 pop star at any cost"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @dulcedejae and
I respect that And I'd wager more people have enjoyed her music than would have if she'd stayed Stefanie Germanotta. Even though during my proto-trans excessive into Gaga phase I admit I really liked her work as Germanotta
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @dulcedejae and
She tried to become famous for years as Stefanie Germanotta and got absolutely nowhere Like there's a part of her that absolutely realizes the perversity that being very technically skilled at playing music people find beautiful makes you a dime a dozen in the industry
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
Being good is meaningless on its own, you have to have some kind of stupid gimmick
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Replying to @arthur_affect @dulcedejae and
Honestly this is probably why Evanescence failed and I will never stop being mad about it ("Failed" as in "lost prominence and didn't become the Beatles of the 00s, as they rightly deserved")
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Cf. how much Amy Lee hates that they forced her to put a guy yelling "WAKE ME UP" on "Bring Me To Life" but it's what everyone remembers about that song
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