I think a lot about how the inevitability of former vice presidents winning presidential primaries, combined with the incompetence with which both pre-VP Biden and Harris ran in primaries before being selected, effectively indicates presidential primaries are non-democratic
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
It's funny, when USA first started the VP was whoever got the second-most votes for President, meaning they were an opponent from a different party. Back then, the Secretary of State was considered the heir to the president's policies and the next candidate.
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Replying to @StorySlug @Nymphomachy
Honestly the implication in this thread that the "fair" way to select a running mate would be to automatically make it whoever got 2nd place in the primary is probably just as bad an idea as making the VP the runner up of the general election
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Replying to @arthur_affect @StorySlug
That's not what I'm saying I'm saying the primary doesn't matter because DOING WELL in it doesn't matter And it obviously doesn't, Joe Biden was historically one of the worst primary campaigners of the party; Kamala's campaign this year was shit internally and externally
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Yeah - I mean, that's something; the Biden Campaign was clearly not doing anything unique or new or even just...good. When retail campaigning counted, he got smoked, IA and NH. Then it just turned out not to matter.
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But like to the extent this high school factional hatred stuff was real and mattered this was a huge part of it Biden was the candidate for D stalwarts who never liked being told they didn't matter because their votes were on lock and swing voters mattered more
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Yeah - and the other big part of it is that most primary voters were pretty high on all the candidates. People didn't hate Biden, he came in too strong to lose unless he was *rejected*
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Yeah, that's what I mean by this factional stuff possibly not being real Extremely Online people think of Bernie vs Biden as this primal opposition, in real life most Bernie voters had Biden as their second choice and vice versa
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I'm not even talking about factional stuff! I'm talking about how Biden's worth as a presidential candidate was demonstrably nonexistent until Obama uplifted him If he hadn't chosen him as his feckless symbol of non-aggression this election would look different
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Of course the job of campaigning is very different from the job of holding office; Obama may have selected Biden for the latter rather than the former, and being considered fairly competent as a VP may have compensated for his lack of skill as a primary campaigner.
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To an extent that's a retcon too, when he started as VP a lot of people grumbled about him as a loose-lipped loose cannon, but affection grew for him over time I mean Obama picked him partly to signal there'd be no power behind the throne
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I'm not sure? He said a lot of dumb things, but he was a pretty well-established figure on foreign policy especially (in a bad way) and as a Congressional leader.
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