It's funny, when USA first started the VP was whoever got the second-most votes for President, meaning they were an opponent from a different party. Back then, the Secretary of State was considered the heir to the president's policies and the next candidate.
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Replying to @StorySlug @Nymphomachy
Honestly the implication in this thread that the "fair" way to select a running mate would be to automatically make it whoever got 2nd place in the primary is probably just as bad an idea as making the VP the runner up of the general election
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Replying to @arthur_affect @StorySlug
That's not what I'm saying I'm saying the primary doesn't matter because DOING WELL in it doesn't matter And it obviously doesn't, Joe Biden was historically one of the worst primary campaigners of the party; Kamala's campaign this year was shit internally and externally
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Yeah - I mean, that's something; the Biden Campaign was clearly not doing anything unique or new or even just...good. When retail campaigning counted, he got smoked, IA and NH. Then it just turned out not to matter.
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But like to the extent this high school factional hatred stuff was real and mattered this was a huge part of it Biden was the candidate for D stalwarts who never liked being told they didn't matter because their votes were on lock and swing voters mattered more
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Yeah - and the other big part of it is that most primary voters were pretty high on all the candidates. People didn't hate Biden, he came in too strong to lose unless he was *rejected*
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Yeah, that's what I mean by this factional stuff possibly not being real Extremely Online people think of Bernie vs Biden as this primal opposition, in real life most Bernie voters had Biden as their second choice and vice versa
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I'm not even talking about factional stuff! I'm talking about how Biden's worth as a presidential candidate was demonstrably nonexistent until Obama uplifted him If he hadn't chosen him as his feckless symbol of non-aggression this election would look different
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Yeah that's partly the way the system works (as in the overarching system of how people think candidates get legitimacy through endorsement) It's also specifically because, much to the frustration of many, Obama as an individual remains incredibly popular
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy and
Like if Obama were George W Bush the landscape probably would look very different Same if he were, say, LBJ (the reason things got so famously ugly in 1968) But he's not an embattled controversial ex-pres he's the de facto king of the Democratic Party
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And I get that people have reason to be angry and resentful about this but that's the reality Like the people who wanted Bernie to go full aggro anti-Obama - "Expose him and take him down so his endorsement doesn't matter" - were giving suicidal advice
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Bernie was popular among Normie Dems, much to the frustration of his biggest fans.
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