I think a lot about how the inevitability of former vice presidents winning presidential primaries, combined with the incompetence with which both pre-VP Biden and Harris ran in primaries before being selected, effectively indicates presidential primaries are non-democratic
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
It's funny, when USA first started the VP was whoever got the second-most votes for President, meaning they were an opponent from a different party. Back then, the Secretary of State was considered the heir to the president's policies and the next candidate.
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Replying to @StorySlug @Nymphomachy
Honestly the implication in this thread that the "fair" way to select a running mate would be to automatically make it whoever got 2nd place in the primary is probably just as bad an idea as making the VP the runner up of the general election
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Replying to @arthur_affect @StorySlug
That's not what I'm saying I'm saying the primary doesn't matter because DOING WELL in it doesn't matter And it obviously doesn't, Joe Biden was historically one of the worst primary campaigners of the party; Kamala's campaign this year was shit internally and externally
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Yeah - I mean, that's something; the Biden Campaign was clearly not doing anything unique or new or even just...good. When retail campaigning counted, he got smoked, IA and NH. Then it just turned out not to matter.
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Replying to @mssilverstein @Nymphomachy and
But campaigning is its own weird thing; it's the variable where people have the most opinions, but it rarely seems to really move the needle.
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I'm not talking about his campaign this year (which is and continues to be a different kind of a shitshow), I'm talking about his performance as a candidate in previous elections, which was practically nonexistent
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Yeah well The last time he ran was 12 years ago, and the other time 20 years before that It's not the same electorate
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Sure but if he'd been a senator for those twelve years as a VP would this electorate be as gaga for him I don't see how any of this doesn't point to the notion that primaries are functionally irrelevant because victorious presidents choose their successors
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I guess That's not really down to the system though, you're complaining about voters themselves Like what can you really do about that, most people like familiarity and are afraid of change
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Yeah, which is probably fine, because usually when they're defiant, they make bad choices.
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