Like, Biden ran for president and nobody wanted him. Harris ran this year and nobody wanted her either. (Plus her campaign was extremely incompetent.) Biden won despite not being any less of a piece of shit than he was sixteen years ago because NAME I RECOGNIZE LOL.
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
a *lot* of people wanted Biden. he was ahead in polls basically the entire time. his support isn't very online. but it was real, and it's why he won.
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Replying to @nberlat @Nymphomachy
Yeah you can say a lot of things about Biden but he absolutely was not an "undemocratic" choice, he is very clearly the choice of the D electorate
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which is unfortunate, imo, because I don't like him! but the electorate often chooses people I don't like.
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One of the turnoffs from the Bernie "style" of campaigning for me was this very reductive appeal to populism Believing that because my politics are the correct politics they must be the politics the real majority of Americans hold, and any appearance otherwise is false
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The people who wanted Bernie, and who had boosted him neck and neck in the polls with Biden, wanted Bernie's policies. I'm not quite sure how you can call that reductive when most Biden supporters can not name a single Biden policy from his platform that genuinely excited them.
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People generally do not care about policies Bernie's base may or may not have been an exception to this, but even if they were, policy people being outvoted by people who don't care about specific policies is completely normal democracy
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What about a party's media apparatus that seems to skew toward attacking a given candidate disproportionately - recalling after NV win Chuck Todd calling his supporters "brownshirts", Chris Matthews talking about getting lined up and shot, etc. Is this part of normal democracy?
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Well... Yeah, it is Or at least it historically is, maybe it shouldn't be but the very nature of democracy is people getting mad and taking sides
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Maybe we can agree it is part of "democracy" but certainly not a "normal" democracy? If people want to make a case that the media played a role in helping to elect Trump, media also played a role in helping to nominate Biden. Neither should be an acceptable state of things
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"Normal" as in typical for how democracy has always worked, yes
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In any case, while I think the media did a lot of things I disagree with in 2020 and 2016 I think it's kind of disingenuous to claim that this is about wanting the media to take some kind of objective meritocratic view from nowhere (there's no such thing)
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