I think a lot about how the inevitability of former vice presidents winning presidential primaries, combined with the incompetence with which both pre-VP Biden and Harris ran in primaries before being selected, effectively indicates presidential primaries are non-democratic
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Like, Biden ran for president and nobody wanted him. Harris ran this year and nobody wanted her either. (Plus her campaign was extremely incompetent.) Biden won despite not being any less of a piece of shit than he was sixteen years ago because NAME I RECOGNIZE LOL.
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Replying to @Nymphomachy
a *lot* of people wanted Biden. he was ahead in polls basically the entire time. his support isn't very online. but it was real, and it's why he won.
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Replying to @nberlat @Nymphomachy
Yeah you can say a lot of things about Biden but he absolutely was not an "undemocratic" choice, he is very clearly the choice of the D electorate
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Replying to @arthur_affect @Nymphomachy
which is unfortunate, imo, because I don't like him! but the electorate often chooses people I don't like.
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Replying to @nberlat @Nymphomachy
One of the turnoffs from the Bernie "style" of campaigning for me was this very reductive appeal to populism Believing that because my politics are the correct politics they must be the politics the real majority of Americans hold, and any appearance otherwise is false
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The people who wanted Bernie, and who had boosted him neck and neck in the polls with Biden, wanted Bernie's policies. I'm not quite sure how you can call that reductive when most Biden supporters can not name a single Biden policy from his platform that genuinely excited them.
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People generally do not care about policies Bernie's base may or may not have been an exception to this, but even if they were, policy people being outvoted by people who don't care about specific policies is completely normal democracy
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I'm not trying to argue in this space that there was no DNC ratfucking or propaganda or whatever, but I am saying you don't need any kind of dirty tricks to explain someone being voted in regardless of what policies people say they prefer in polls because that's completely normal
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Nor do I even think that's "stupid" or "irrational" I personally am a nerd who cares way more than average about policy but I freely admit I can easily be swayed by what I think of a candidate as a human being over how I hypothetically align with their platform
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