I wouldn't even find it unbelievable if Joel destroyed any and all work on a vaccine as a final act of spite.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
I would. Joel isn't spiteful! Again, for all Tommy says Joel made him violent, Tommy is the only one we see take revenge for Sarah! Before any of that!
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @arthur_affect and
Tony guns down a soldier who's shooting his and his wounded niece. That's not revenge, that's self-defense.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
Sure. I'm just saying, the fact that there is no evidence either of them pulled a TLOU2 type crusade into the interior of Austin to dispatch the guy who ordered Sarah killed indicates Joel is not innately vengeful, and literally nothing about his character deals w vengeance
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @Laurent_Weppe and
Like "survival" is Joel's thing. The revenge theme of 2 is NEW. I think it's VERY clear Joel cannot survive without Ellie at the end, which is why he makes the choice he does. If she were dead I think he would probably still attack, yes, but he'd die quickly and on purpose
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @Laurent_Weppe and
(it interestingly occurs to me that the final level of TLOU has the same morality as the Matrix final battle: the enemy wants our friend's brain, and rather than sacrifice him for the greater good, we're going to do an Uncomfortable White Man Shooting Spree)
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @Laurent_Weppe and
I mean, I feel the need to make the counterargument that both options are risking one thing that'll contribute to the greater good for another. If they don't rescue Morpheus, Smith'll get into Zion, and if they attempt the rescue they're risking The Chosen One.
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Replying to @StuartMWilke @Laurent_Weppe and
But they could kill Morpheus and risk neither
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Replying to @BootlegGirl @Laurent_Weppe and
You're right, forgot that was the sacrifice option here, not just "leave him to the machines because it'll risk Neo to rescue him". Counterargument rescinded.
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It's still not really the same thing, because Neo isn't *really* risking failure here, Tank can still unplug Morpheus if they get killed trying to break into the building He's risking him and Trinity's lives but he's not really risking the rebel cause more than he was before
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Replying to @arthur_affect @StuartMWilke and
Also part of the point here is the irony that Neo has lost faith that he's the One after talking to the Oracle and that he chooses to sacrifice himself by convincing Trinity he's *not* the One ("I'm just some guy") and by so doing proves that he actually is
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Replying to @arthur_affect @BootlegGirl and
Yeah, but it's still more similar than my initial counterargument gave it credit for :)
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