Well, yeah, but then why is she alive on the table when Joel arrives? Just kill her and take the thing, lie about what happened later. Or ask her first and only do that if she says no. It can be hand-waved in the moment, but the mechanics of the moment are flimsy in retrospect.
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If you've already decided to kill her no matter what, waking her up to tell her about it is both a cruel and an unacceptably risky act Morally it only compounds your sins (now you're a murderer *and* a liar and, if she says no and you kill her anyway, an oathbreaker)
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MudDude4 and
The big issue here is Marlene deciding to tell Joel, which is a smaller risk - and act of cruelty - because she can't silence that pang of selfish conscience, she "owes it to him"
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MudDude4 and
One angle I read into this scene is that no one is totally comfortable with this act of murder - why would they be - and, as humans do, they need to burden someone else with the guilt to reassure themselves they're making the right decision
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MudDude4 and
Jerry doesn't really need to ask permission from Marlene, it's his hospital, he could just do it, but he needs to to feel okay about it Marlene needs to do the same with the only other parent figure Ellie has left
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Replying to @arthur_affect @MudDude4 and
Except she doesn't really ask for permission: she immediately put an armed guard under Joel's back and tell him to walk or he'll get shot.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
Which is both dishonest and foolish given how violent and nasty Joel can be. Had Ellie died and Joel lived It would have ended with Joel murdering as many Firefly as he could.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
I wouldn't even find it unbelievable if Joel destroyed any and all work on a vaccine as a final act of spite.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
I mean, Joel is portrayed as "ruthlessly efficient", but given his backstory, it's clear he already hates the world before meeting Elly. Killing her would probably have been the last straw bringing him for anti-hero with a reprehensible past to full blown villain.
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Replying to @Laurent_Weppe @arthur_affect and
(tw suicide mention) I'm quite certain he would have just killed himself if Ellie died
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Right, which is why just keeping him locked up until after the operation would've been a much smarter play but Marlene's sense of honor keeps her from doing so
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